mailing list choices?
I want to set up some kind of mailing list for reactive (which I plan to release soon). The most obvious thing is to set up a mailman-based list on haskell.org, but I wonder -- do people really want to keep using mailman technology? Or something more modern like Yahoo or Google groups. I use my email reader also with Yahoo & Google groups, so my day-to-day experience is the same as with mailman-based lists. For less regular operations like searching archives, I prefer the experience on Yahoo & Google group. And I like some of the other modern features, like personal profiles and polls. I've been wondering if haskellers really like mailman or are just used to it. Maybe people make new mailman lists simply because others did it before them. Any thoughts/preferences? Thanks, - Conal
I would call Yahoo and Google groups a major step backwards from mailman. ________________________________ From: haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Conal Elliott Sent: 08 September 2008 11:34 To: Haskell Café Subject: [Haskell-cafe] mailing list choices? I want to set up some kind of mailing list for reactive (which I plan to release soon). The most obvious thing is to set up a mailman-based list on haskell.org, but I wonder -- do people really want to keep using mailman technology? Or something more modern like Yahoo or Google groups. I use my email reader also with Yahoo & Google groups, so my day-to-day experience is the same as with mailman-based lists. For less regular operations like searching archives, I prefer the experience on Yahoo & Google group. And I like some of the other modern features, like personal profiles and polls. I've been wondering if haskellers really like mailman or are just used to it. Maybe people make new mailman lists simply because others did it before them. Any thoughts/preferences? Thanks, - Conal ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html ==============================================================================
The Yahoo mailing list server is notoriously unreliable and randomly
drops mails and/or drops people from lists because their email server
was temporarily refusing mails (4xx SMTP responses not 5xx). I also find
the Yahoo groups web interface absolutely awful; mailman's list archives
aren't great, but are ok for casual browsing, and you can download the
entire archives and load them up locally if you need to.
A quick look around Google groups suggests that my initial assumption
that it'd be as bad as Yahoo groups is probably unfounded. But if I
hadn't already given in and created a Google account for other things,
I'd be unhappy about doing so just for your list, given the way it
tracks your web browsing in ways that I don't entirely understand while
you are logged into it.
________________________________
From: conal.elliott@gmail.com [mailto:conal.elliott@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Conal Elliott
Sent: 08 September 2008 12:52
To: Sittampalam, Ganesh
Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org
Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] mailing list choices?
In what ways?
2008/9/8 Sittampalam, Ganesh
The Yahoo mailing list server is notoriously unreliable and randomly drops mails and/or drops people from lists because their email server was temporarily refusing mails (4xx SMTP responses not 5xx). I also find the Yahoo groups web interface absolutely awful; mailman's list archives aren't great, but are ok for casual browsing, and you can download the entire archives and load them up locally if you need to.
A quick look around Google groups suggests that my initial assumption that it'd be as bad as Yahoo groups is probably unfounded. But if I hadn't already given in and created a Google account for other things, I'd be unhappy about doing so just for your list, given the way it tracks your web browsing in ways that I don't entirely understand while you are logged into it.
From "http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46438&topic=9244 ":
*Activities that don't require a Google Account: * - Reading posts in public groups - Searching for groups, posts, or authors - Posting to groups via email if they are unrestricted or you're already a member - Joining a public Google Group via email *Activities that require a Google Account: * - Creating and managing your own Google Group - Posting to groups via our web interface - Creating pages and uploading files - Subscribing to a Usenet newsgroup and receiving posts via email - Joining a Google Group via our web interface - Changing your subscription type (No Email, Abridged Email...) - Reading a restricted group's posts online Sean
On Monday 08 September 2008 14:33:47 Conal Elliott wrote:
I want to set up some kind of mailing list for reactive (which I plan to release soon). The most obvious thing is to set up a mailman-based list on haskell.org, but I wonder -- do people really want to keep using mailman technology? Or something more modern like Yahoo or Google groups.
Mailman is nice. You can register your list at the http://gmane.org/ (see http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.lang.haskell) -- Sweetmorn, Bureaucracy 32, 3174 YOLD Alexey Beshenov http://beshenov.ru/
gmane is indeed a nifty complement to mailman, making mailman more appealing
to me. I especially like the variety of interfaces. Thanks, Alexey. - Conal
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Alexey Beshenov
On Monday 08 September 2008 14:33:47 Conal Elliott wrote:
I want to set up some kind of mailing list for reactive (which I plan to release soon). The most obvious thing is to set up a mailman-based list on haskell.org, but I wonder -- do people really want to keep using mailman technology? Or something more modern like Yahoo or Google groups.
Mailman is nice. You can register your list at the http://gmane.org/
(see http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.lang.haskell)
I think I'll go the route of @haskell.org and gmane. Does anyone have
advice about spam protection or other helpful matters? - Conal
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Alexey Beshenov
On Monday 08 September 2008 14:33:47 Conal Elliott wrote:
I want to set up some kind of mailing list for reactive (which I plan to release soon). The most obvious thing is to set up a mailman-based list on haskell.org, but I wonder -- do people really want to keep using mailman technology? Or something more modern like Yahoo or Google groups.
Mailman is nice. You can register your list at the http://gmane.org/
(see http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.lang.haskell)
-- Sweetmorn, Bureaucracy 32, 3174 YOLD Alexey Beshenov http://beshenov.ru/ _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
On Friday 12 September 2008 19:37:26 Conal Elliott wrote:
I think I'll go the route of @haskell.org and gmane. Does anyone have advice about spam protection or other helpful matters? - Conal
For filtering the junk e-mail manually, I recommend listadmin: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/kjetilho/hacks/#listadmin -- Setting Orange, Bureaucracy 36, 3174 YOLD Alexey Beshenov http://beshenov.ru/
Did Yahoo & Google groups add support for NNTP yet? In past this did not work. If it still does not work then this would be one reason to prefer something which works with gmane. Peter.
participants (5)
-
Alexey Beshenov -
Conal Elliott -
Peter Hercek -
Sean Leather -
Sittampalam, Ganesh