RE: Hiring Haskell programmers

I have always been wondering what exactly does "quickly learn Haskell" mean? Quickly learn Haskell syntax? Can one learn how to paint quickly? konst
-----Original Message----- From: Eray Ozkural [mailto:erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:24 PM To: Mark Carroll; haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: Hiring Haskell programmers
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On Tuesday 12 March 2002 01:17, Mark Carroll wrote:
How easy is it to hire reasonable Haskell programmers? Of course, this may mean, hiring people with the aptitude and interest to quickly learn Haskell. Has anyone any experience of this that they can share?
I know it's easy. Try me. ;)
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Konst Sushenko wrote:
I have always been wondering what exactly does "quickly learn Haskell" mean? Quickly learn Haskell syntax? Can one learn how to paint quickly?
Be able to modify or add to the code base within a few weeks, in such a way that somebody doesn't have to come back later and repair your work. (-: So, no, not just the syntax: much harder, in my opinion, is to learn how to phrase even just simple algorithms in an efficient and functional way. When I first learned Standard ML, after years of imperative programming, my brain almost hurt for the first few weeks. -- Mark

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 12 March 2002 03:05, Mark Carroll wrote:
Be able to modify or add to the code base within a few weeks, in such a way that somebody doesn't have to come back later and repair your work. (-: So, no, not just the syntax: much harder, in my opinion, is to learn how to phrase even just simple algorithms in an efficient and functional way. When I first learned Standard ML, after years of imperative programming, my brain almost hurt for the first few weeks.
I think the practice of software engineering applies here as well as any other
language. How hard was it for Cycorp to hire LISP programmers? (Not a good
example I know) I would imagine one would have to be a little mathematically
oriented for grokking the hack content of course. Any good programmer with a
knowledge of declarative programming in the tradition of LISP and Prolog,
IMHO, will do the job.
Also I'd think that knowledge of the application domain and methods matters
more than the programming language. If you require one to write machine
learning code, how would you expect him to write a single line without
knowing the subject?
I'd imagine that persons who are experienced at any programming language which
allows a reasonable level of abstraction (say C++), will be quite comfortable
with Haskell. The type system of Haskell is a great win, and although the
APIs are yet to be standardized (for common programming tasks) it will do a
great job in many fields.
I wouldn't be particularly enthusiastic about using a language like Haskell to
implement a simple thing such as a "chatroom" but I would imagine it would
have great benefits in research where you have to try out a lot of
mathematical ideas, in complex symbolic AI tasks, in compiler
design/implementation, etc.
Therefore, ideally, I would look for somebody who has
a) concrete programming experience
b) knowledge of symbolic languages
c) theoretical knowledge of your domain
If I were to find that person who would be really able to program in Haskell,
I would look for somebody who has done a variety of things rather than
focusing on a single technology/application (just pure mathematics wouldn't
do ;). That kind of a person would be able to find his way in any maze.
Thanks,
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Eray Ozkural (exa)

Eray Ozkural
I wouldn't be particularly enthusiastic about using a language like Haskell to implement a simple thing such as a "chatroom" [...]
I don't see why not. Well, simple is relative I suppose. Jens, who wants to write an irc-client in haskell one day
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