-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/07/14 16:25, Roman Cheplyaka wrote:

I doubt all the people who are interested will subscribe to these lists. I don't have data to argue for or against this.

Thus people will have to cross-post to those list and haskell-cafe, just like it's happening with haskell@haskell.org right now. This should be considered frowned upon if this proposal goes through.

I don't mind seeing occasional job and academic ads here. For what it's worth: I don't either. I'm actually interested in seeing what's going on in these circles. But I follow quite a few lists, and I a lot of the stuff I see on those lists *is* annoying to me. So I imagine some people, who like me subscribe to a lot of lists, are annoyed by the ads here.

But really, that is a minor point. The primary advantage is in my opinion the ability to filter email. And a point I forgot to make in that regard is for people who *are* looking for jobs presently. It would be good if they could efficiently filter these postings. And another related point is that *I* sure wouldn't mind being able to get ads in digests, whilst following the café normally. - -- Alexander alexander@plaimi.net https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlO1mQoACgkQRtClrXBQc7WnAwD+NfyLtpC8e0KPkNxRWLBZOjh5 Ay1Y2DmRsrqkP83gkJsA/0aaQdbFK0ivH+cT7i8lZ6USJSoZfyHXKShmN4mRYpci =ZPGC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/07/14 20:24, Roman Cheplyaka wrote:

I'm just saying that we have something very similar with haskell@haskell.org, and it's not working, for various social reasons. I disagree. I think the amount of cross-posting is quite low. Furthermore, if it's happening -- it's happening because we allow it, by not penalising cross-posting. This could be done.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/07/14 21:38, Carter Schonwald wrote:

could you take this bikeshedding about things that aren't haskell to a different list please :) If it is inappropriate to discuss this here, where is this best discussed then?

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I agree with Ben. People will just keep posting where they get the most audience. It won't make a difference. Besides, the mail subject for a job posting is in most cases enough to simply skip the email, in case you are not interested in job postings (or studentships). -1 On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Ben Gamari wrote:

On July 3, 2014 4:19:35 PM EDT, Alexander Berntsen wrote:

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On 03/07/14 21:38, Carter Schonwald wrote:

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could you take this bikeshedding about things that aren't haskell to a different list please :) If it is inappropriate to discuss this here, where is this best discussed then?

I believe Carter was just making a joke although it can be tough to tell over such a lossy medium.

With respect to the proposal, I agree with others that while splitting the list looks good on paper, in practice people will likely just continue posting where they can get the largest audience unless there are significant disincentives to doing so. Frankly, I don't find the traffic generated by any of the Haskell lists to be onerous so enforcing such disincentives doesn't seem worth the friction they might give rise to. -1 from me.

Cheers,

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If the ability to filter is the goal, it may be accomplished within a single list, by having a rule to tag subjects with [Job] or [Academic], as appropriate. Then if you care about either of those you can quickly scan for them, and if you see those as spam you can easily set email filters to avoid ever seeing them. The default would be current state of affairs. On 07/03/2014 04:42 PM, Felipe Lessa wrote:

I agree with Roman here. It'd make no sense to post a job listing to a mailing list that has 10% of the audience of the cafe.

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