On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Nicolas Pouillard wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:50:32 +0200, Michael Snoyman wrote:

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Sorry to everyone for not getting back so quickly, I kept getting errors from postfix when I tried sending mail to the cafe. Hopefully this one will go through. As I see it, two open issues are "flagging" and "real Haskellers".

Flagging: this was simply a mistake in terminology on my part. I've replaced it with "Report this user." It should be used for either inappropriate content, spam, or someone who's just clearly not part of the community (eg, "Lol, I don't know Haskell, I had Cocoa Puffs for breakfast"). I'm purposely being vague about this; if a user *thinks* there's a problem, it shouldn't take an admin more than a few seconds to investigate it.

Now the more important question about real Haskellers: I think I mentioned before implementing the feature that I was a little bit nervous about doing so. The main reason I went ahead and did it anyway was we were getting some... strange gravatars showing up on the homepage. This problem was solved automatically when I added sorting by years of experience (no one can object to Simon PJ and Lennart being on the homepage of course), but the problem with that system is *anyone* can just set their start year to 1990 and get homepage status until an admin blocks him/her.

So for the moment, real Haskeller is a minimal whitelisting system, simply intended to prevent people from gaming the system. I've probably chosen bad terminology, and by not explaining this upset a lot of people, my apologies. The point here is not to make the real Haskeller status exclusive, but just to give an extra level of protection. If people really think this is a bad idea, we can take it out. However, keep in mind that the community already seems to favor whitelists (the wiki requires admin intervention for an account, same on HackageDB).

I think that "Verified accounts" sounds more appropriate than "Real Haskellers", then.

Cool, consider it done ;). Actually, it really is done, I just have to push the code to the server. Also, now 10 random profiles will be displayed on the homepage. Only "verified users" will be displayed here. I'm also considering adding a new status as well: real picture, so that only people with real images (not cartoons, not identicons) can show up on the homepage. I think this might give a more professional feel. Thoughts? Michael

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:54:12 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote:

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:37, Michael Snoyman wrote: [...]

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Also, now 10 random profiles will be displayed on the homepage. Only "verified users" will be displayed here. I'm also considering adding a new status as well: real picture, so that only people with real images (not cartoons, not identicons) can show up on the homepage. I think this might give a more professional feel. Thoughts?

I'd be weary of making that a requirement, there are good reasons for not putting your picture on the web, just like there are good reasons to not use your real name :-)

... just like there are good reasons not to publish yourself in a public catalogue (such as haskellers.com) at all. I have nothing against anonymity. I voted against requirement of real names on hackage. But in this particular case, the whole point to be in the listing is to present yourself. So I find the above proposal very reasonable. -- Roman I. Cheplyaka :: http://ro-che.info/ "Don't let school get in the way of your education." - Mark Twain

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:09:00 +0200, Vo Minh Thu wrote:

2010/10/11 Roman Cheplyaka :

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:54:12 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote:

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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:37, Michael Snoyman wrote: [...]

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Also, now 10 random profiles will be displayed on the homepage. Only "verified users" will be displayed here. I'm also considering adding a new status as well: real picture, so that only people with real images (not cartoons, not identicons) can show up on the homepage. I think this might give a more professional feel. Thoughts?

I'd be weary of making that a requirement, there are good reasons for not putting your picture on the web, just like there are good reasons to not use your real name :-)

... just like there are good reasons not to publish yourself in a public catalogue (such as haskellers.com) at all.

I have nothing against anonymity. I voted against requirement of real names on hackage.

But in this particular case, the whole point to be in the listing is to present yourself. So I find the above proposal very reasonable.

Hi,

In the belgian law, an employer can (of course) request a faithful resume, but cannot request the resume to contain a picture of you. This is a clear example where you wish to advertise yourself, but not necessarily with a picture. Anyway, I don't think it is difficult to imagine situations where one doesn't wish to show a picture of his/her face.

Agree. But then there should be no picture at all for a given person. As Michael said -- no cartoons, no identicons. -- Roman I. Cheplyaka :: http://ro-che.info/ "Don't let school get in the way of your education." - Mark Twain

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"verified users" will be displayed here. I'm also considering adding a new status as well: real picture, so that only people with real images (not cartoons, not identicons) can show up on the homepage. I think this might give a more professional feel. Thoughts?

I think you need to decide which community you intend to support, actually. On the one hand, a professional organization will prefer to have real names, real pictures, etc. On the other, if you want to be a central coordinating spot for the existing Haskell community, many of us are far better known by nicknames and identicons. If you want to support both, then perhaps you need multiple "portals", with people wanting to be identified professionally registering appropriately in order to show up in the professional portal. But then you have the difficulty of how to show content in each portal (for example, a forum discussion might be cited in the professional forum, but what if some or all of the contributors were on the community side? You might show names and pictures from the professional side and some kind of placeholder for those not registered professionally, but then you need to worry about the folks who want to keep their professional and "online" identities separate. - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky0XIoACgkQIn7hlCsL25VCsQCfVPHZFM3ZY0syuCQ55P78R5a9 hnkAnimXEzujTNifh5jgwnQyMsrZmwo0 =Fppp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote:

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On the one hand, a professional organization will prefer to have real names, real pictures, etc.  On the other, if you want to be a central coordinating spot for the existing Haskell community, many of us are far better known by nicknames and identicons.

I would definitely like to see the option of adding your handle to your profile. Even if it is a commercially oriented site. Otherwise I won't be able to figure out who is who.

It's available now. Just go to extras. As a side point, I'm wondering how I should let everyone know about the new features on the site. Emailing the cafe each time would be stupid (and spam); posting to my twitter or my blog won't hit the whole audience. The two real options I see are: * A Haskelers twitter account * A news section on the site I lean towards the second. Obviously, I'd include a news feed with it. Michael

On 14 October 2010 14:00, Michael Snoyman wrote:

As a side point, I'm wondering how I should let everyone know about the new features on the site. Emailing the cafe each time would be stupid (and spam);

but it's the main reason people are checking it out :) I reckon it's ok to talk about community stuff in the community cafe!

posting to my twitter or my blog won't hit the whole audience. The two real options I see are:

* A Haskelers twitter account * A news section on the site

I lean towards the second. Obviously, I'd include a news feed with it.

and please make sure it hits the haskell reddit ;-) cheers, Conrad.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote:

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I would definitely like to see the option of adding your handle to your profile. Even if it is a commercially oriented site. Otherwise I won't be able to figure out who is who.

It's available now. Just go to extras.

Small point: you might also want to update the "I'm a Haskeller" button to point to the username instead of the user id. Bas

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote:

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Bas van Dijk wrote:

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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote:

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I would definitely like to see the option of adding your handle to your profile. Even if it is a commercially oriented site. Otherwise I won't be able to figure out who is who.

It's available now. Just go to extras.

Small point: you might also want to update the "I'm a Haskeller" button to point to the username instead of the user id.

I actually specifically *didn't* do that: users have the option in the future of changing their usernames, while the user id will stay the same. The user id version always redirects to the username version. It's arguable whether this is something to really be concerned about, however. Anyone who wants to can modify their HTML.

That makes sense. Another thing. I see you added a news section to the site: http://www.haskellers.com/news/ Great! Is there also a RSS feed? Thanks, Bas

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote:

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Great! Is there also a RSS feed?

Yes, http://www.haskellers.com/feed/news/. Is it useful to people to put up a feedburner subscribe button?

Thanks, I now see that Firefox provides a nice "Subscribe to this page" button in the address bar. Chromium unfortunately doesn't, that's why I didn't notice it. Bas

Michael Snoyman schrieb:

As a side point, I'm wondering how I should let everyone know about the new features on the site. Emailing the cafe each time would be stupid (and spam); posting to my twitter or my blog won't hit the whole audience.

Regarding the news comments by Disqus on haskellers.com: Why do they require JavaScript?