On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 10:17:38 +0100, David House wrote:

On 06/05/07, Andrew Coppin wrote:

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OK, this is hacking me off now... Does ANYBODY know how I can convince Thunderbird to send replies to Haskell Cafe rather than sending them to the original poster? This is really becoming tiresome...

Is there a 'Reply to All' option? That's what it's called in Gmail, you just have to remember to click that instead of the vanilla 'Reply'.

Or even better, a 'Reply to List'? /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus@therning.org Jabber: magnus.therning@gmail.com http://therning.org/magnus

One thing I did was replacing the "Reply" button in my toolbar with "Reply All". The only problem is that I always use Cmd+R instead of clicking a button, but I'm at least a little bit closer. -chris On 6-mei-2007, at 15:21, ls-haskell-developer-2006@m-e-leypold.de wrote:

Andrew Coppin writes:

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OK, this is hacking me off now... Does ANYBODY know how I can convince Thunderbird to send replies to Haskell Cafe rather than sending them to the original poster? This is really becoming tiresome...

My best approach to that has been to explicitely rewrite the Reply-To with procmail when the mail arrives at my place. The problem is, that the 'List-Id' tag will only work, if all clients stick to the implied rules (which they don't) and if you don't have a MTA or mailbox storage (like cyrus) which eliminates duplicates (then answers copied to you arrive earlier, leading to elimination of the copy with the List-Id tag). After long and careful study I've come to the conclusion that every magic based on headers inserted by the mailing list and based on all participants mail clients sticking to some rules won't work.

Originally, as I understand it, the Mail-Followup-To field had been intended to indicate an address for "reply to list". But most mail clients don't support it. I'm not sure wether Thunderbird supports it, but I've heard a "reply all" would reply to the address indicated in Mail-Followup-To. The problem is anyway (a) Haskell Cafe does not provide the field and (b) duplicate elimination would quite possibly kick the wrong mail copy (that which has Mail-Followup-To set).

So my suggestion:

1) Use procmail 2) Detect haskell-cafe in the headers 3) Add the List-Id and Mail-Followup-To at you side.

4) If you have client which doesn't respect Mail-Followup-To (try "reply all"), then also add a Reply-To header.

(4) means, if you wan't to reply by mail to the individual author, you'll have to edit the receiver address by hand.

Regards -- Markus

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Chris Eidhof writes:

One thing I did was replacing the "Reply" button in my toolbar with "Reply All". The only problem is that I always use Cmd+R instead of clicking a button, but I'm at least a little bit closer.

(and: No top posting please.) Yes, I just found, that haskell-cafe provides the List-Post field, which is more and more supported by various clients and according to RFC. Nonethelesse, in the presence of duplicate eleminating mail transports or storage systems the direct copy arrives first and the later copy (carrying the required header fields) is eleminated. Of course you only see that if somebody is replying to you mail with a client that doesn't send to the list only on "reply all" or "rplay list" -- as yours did. There is -- AFAIS -- no way around procmail magic (or one has to turn off all duplicate elimination, but sometimes that is not in your power). Everyone interested in the topic should also read http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html Note that I don't suggest reply-to munging by the list: It's has to everyones individual choice if he/she works with a "broken" (i.e. restricted) mail client that doesn't support the list header fields. Regards -- Markus