I was just wondering, when the HCAR will come out. just the same, for people like me who are not very involved with the community, it is difficult to get an overview of the ongoing projects. the wiki says Gofer is now abandoned and Hugs replaces it. nice to know. I wonder how about Mondrian, Eden and the rest. there should be a mechanism to officially deprecate a project, shouldn't there? and once again, a mechanism to nominate a successor so that newbies like me will know where to start exploring. cheers. Imam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com