Emacs (was stack and the Atom editor)
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Thomas Koster <tkoster@gmail.com> wrote:
If I can't make Atom work for me, I will drop it just as fast as I dropped Emacs. Spacemacs was suggested to me off-list; if it addresses my complaints about Emacs, I might give it a chance. But Atom is the topic of this thread, so lest this thread descend into a text editor flame war, I suggest we stop talking about Emacs (or Vim, or Eclipse, or anything else).
[Note the changed subject line :-) ] Ive been having a great deal of confusion/trouble with emacs haskell-mode of late. No this is not a gripe about haskell-mode Just that I find myself confused over 1. The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in 2. Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what? 3. I dont quite know when things stopped working/being comfortable/familiar but I remember it as having nothing to do with haskell -- updating org mode or some such Just that I am supposed to be (at least out here!!) an emacs and haskell expert and while showing others how to get started I am often finding my own setups embarrassingly broken Any tips for an old emacs-geezer?
On 10 April 2016 at 17:36, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Thomas Koster <tkoster@gmail.com> wrote:
If I can't make Atom work for me, I will drop it just as fast as I dropped Emacs. Spacemacs was suggested to me off-list; if it addresses my complaints about Emacs, I might give it a chance. But Atom is the topic of this thread, so lest this thread descend into a text editor flame war, I suggest we stop talking about Emacs (or Vim, or Eclipse, or anything else).
[Note the changed subject line :-) ]
Ive been having a great deal of confusion/trouble with emacs haskell-mode of late. No this is not a gripe about haskell-mode Just that I find myself confused over
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
I don't think the old comint interface is used at all any more (but may still be present for backwards-compatibility).
Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what?
haskell-emacs was Chris Done's first attempt at writing a new Haskell mdoe for Emacs before he merged it into haskell-mode proper; so you probably don't want to use haskell-emacs any more (it's rather old and quite probably bitrotted).
I dont quite know when things stopped working/being comfortable/familiar but I remember it as having nothing to do with haskell -- updating org mode or some such
? org-mode can be a pain to upgrade due to compilations trying to use already loaded/present versions, but installing haskell-mode via package.el is rather easy.
Just that I am supposed to be (at least out here!!) an emacs and haskell expert and while showing others how to get started I am often finding my own setups embarrassingly broken
Any tips for an old emacs-geezer?
Chris Done has a sample config: https://github.com/chrisdone/emacs-haskell-config/ -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic Ivan.Miljenovic@gmail.com http://IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic < ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 April 2016 at 17:36, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what?
haskell-emacs was Chris Done's first attempt at writing a new Haskell mdoe for Emacs before he merged it into haskell-mode proper; so you probably don't want to use haskell-emacs any more (it's rather old and quite probably bitrotted).
Just tried the "Quick Install" instructions at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode As best as I can see there is no haskell-mode after package-refresh contents There is only these when I try to do package-install [completions buffer] Click on a completion to select it. In this buffer, type RET to select the completion near point. Possible completions are: haskell-emacs haskell-emacs-base haskell-emacs-text haskell-snippets haskell-tab-indent
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic < ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 April 2016 at 17:36, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what?
haskell-emacs was Chris Done's first attempt at writing a new Haskell mdoe for Emacs before he merged it into haskell-mode proper; so you probably don't want to use haskell-emacs any more (it's rather old and quite probably bitrotted).
Just tried the "Quick Install" instructions at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode As best as I can see there is no haskell-mode after package-refresh contents There is only these when I try to do package-install [completions buffer]
Click on a completion to select it. In this buffer, type RET to select the completion near point.
Possible completions are: haskell-emacs haskell-emacs-base haskell-emacs-text haskell-snippets haskell-tab-indent
Update: While the install via emacs package system doesn't work, install via git does <ot remark> Emacs package system is about as broken as a linux kernel would be if it tried to do the job of grub </ot remark>
On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic <ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 April 2016 at 17:36, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what?
haskell-emacs was Chris Done's first attempt at writing a new Haskell mdoe for Emacs before he merged it into haskell-mode proper; so you probably don't want to use haskell-emacs any more (it's rather old and quite probably bitrotted).
Just tried the "Quick Install" instructions at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode As best as I can see there is no haskell-mode after package-refresh contents There is only these when I try to do package-install [completions buffer]
Click on a completion to select it. In this buffer, type RET to select the completion near point.
Possible completions are: haskell-emacs haskell-emacs-base haskell-emacs-text haskell-snippets haskell-tab-indent
Update: While the install via emacs package system doesn't work, install via git does
<ot remark> Emacs package system is about as broken as a linux kernel would be if it tried to do the job of grub </ot remark>
Can you double check whether melpa-stable was indeed added to package-archives? (That said, I use melpa itself rather than melpa-stable to get regular snapshots rather than specific releases.) Another alternative is to use el-get to fetch it from git rather than package.el.
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On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic < ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic <ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 April 2016 at 17:36, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what?
haskell-emacs was Chris Done's first attempt at writing a new Haskell mdoe for Emacs before he merged it into haskell-mode proper; so you probably don't want to use haskell-emacs any more (it's rather old and quite probably bitrotted).
Just tried the "Quick Install" instructions at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode As best as I can see there is no haskell-mode after package-refresh contents There is only these when I try to do package-install [completions
buffer]
Click on a completion to select it. In this buffer, type RET to select the completion near point.
Possible completions are: haskell-emacs haskell-emacs-base haskell-emacs-text haskell-snippets haskell-tab-indent
Update: While the install via emacs package system doesn't work, install via git does
<ot remark> Emacs package system is about as broken as a linux kernel would be if it tried to do the job of grub </ot remark>
Can you double check whether melpa-stable was indeed added to package-archives? (That said, I use melpa itself rather than melpa-stable to get regular snapshots rather than specific releases.)
Another alternative is to use el-get to fetch it from git rather than package.el.
Changing the melpa url from http to https seems to make it work -- thanks! [Instructions here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode give http] I'll need to check more carefully
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
Changing the melpa url from http to https seems to make it work -- thanks!
[Instructions here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode give http]
I'll need to check more carefully
Plain http works for me. -- Gracjan
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users. Note that haskell-mode project is a bin for many projects that used to be unrelated, hence there is quite some functionality duplication. We are working on solving most annoying sources of confusion.
Basic setups -- is it called haskell-mode/haskell-emacs or what?
haskell-mode or even Haskell Mode these days. haskell-emacs is something completly unrelated (write Emacs extensions in Haskell).
I dont quite know when things stopped working/being comfortable/familiar but I remember it as having nothing to do with haskell -- updating org mode or some such
I never had issues with org-mode so can't help you there.
Just that I am supposed to be (at least out here!!) an emacs and haskell
expert and while showing others how to get started I am often finding my own setups embarrassingly brokenAny tips for an old emacs-geezer? What do you mean? You install and it works. Even configuration step is optional as we try to provide sane defaults and sane keybindings. -- Gracjan
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Gracjan Polak <gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote:
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users.
1. Start in a foo.hs file 2. Load file 3. I get the lambda interface Instead M-x run-haskell I get old interface How do I get one uniform interface?
On 11 April 2016 at 15:03, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Gracjan Polak <gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote:
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users.
1. Start in a foo.hs file 2. Load file 3. I get the lambda interface
Instead M-x run-haskell I get old interface
How do I get one uniform interface?
By not using run-haskell? I load up a file in Emacs. I use C-c C-l to load the file (which starts a new project if need be), and C-c C-r to reload it if I've changed it. I do have various customisations enabled (e.g. using structured-haskell-mode) but that's fundamentally how I interact with a ghci process (though ebal is definitely handing for setting up sandboxes and installing dependencies). -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic Ivan.Miljenovic@gmail.com http://IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com
For easy, quick and working configuration one can use Spacemacs project. All that is needed is to switch on what they call required 'layers' and off we go. The Haskell layer is quite good, it will automatically install haskell-mode and other goodness. On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 21:50 Ivan Lazar Miljenovic <ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 April 2016 at 15:03, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Gracjan Polak <gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote:
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users.
1. Start in a foo.hs file 2. Load file 3. I get the lambda interface
Instead M-x run-haskell I get old interface
How do I get one uniform interface?
By not using run-haskell?
I load up a file in Emacs. I use C-c C-l to load the file (which starts a new project if need be), and C-c C-r to reload it if I've changed it.
I do have various customisations enabled (e.g. using structured-haskell-mode) but that's fundamentally how I interact with a ghci process (though ebal is definitely handing for setting up sandboxes and installing dependencies).
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic < ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 April 2016 at 15:03, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Gracjan Polak <gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote:
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users.
1. Start in a foo.hs file 2. Load file 3. I get the lambda interface
Instead M-x run-haskell I get old interface
How do I get one uniform interface?
By not using run-haskell?
:-) I figured that much out; viz that even if I dont need a file immediately I need to create a dummy hs file and load it.
I load up a file in Emacs. I use C-c C-l to load the file (which starts a new project if need be), and C-c C-r to reload it if I've changed it.
I do have various customisations enabled (e.g. using structured-haskell-mode) but that's fundamentally how I interact with a ghci process (though ebal is definitely handing for setting up sandboxes and installing dependencies).
Sorry couldn't quite parse last sentence
On 12 April 2016 at 21:41, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic <ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 April 2016 at 15:03, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Gracjan Polak <gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote:
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users.
1. Start in a foo.hs file 2. Load file 3. I get the lambda interface
Instead M-x run-haskell I get old interface
How do I get one uniform interface?
By not using run-haskell?
:-)
I figured that much out; viz that even if I dont need a file immediately I need to create a dummy hs file and load it.
I load up a file in Emacs. I use C-c C-l to load the file (which starts a new project if need be), and C-c C-r to reload it if I've changed it.
I do have various customisations enabled (e.g. using structured-haskell-mode) but that's fundamentally how I interact with a ghci process (though ebal is definitely handing for setting up sandboxes and installing dependencies).
Sorry couldn't quite parse last sentence
structured-haskell-mode aims to provide node-based editing support for Haskell code (ala paredit for Lisps); ebal is another mode that helps running cabal-install or stack. Most of the rest of my customisations is more about keybindings (and various failed experiments like code folding that I tried but no longer use); haskell-mode is fairly usable out-of-the-box. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic Ivan.Miljenovic@gmail.com http://IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com
Replying to myself for anyone else who finds this On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic < ivan.miljenovic@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 April 2016 at 15:03, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Gracjan Polak <gracjanpolak@gmail.com> wrote:
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
The old comint interface and new λ one -- when does which kick in
There are quite some people out there using inf-haskell (comint) and larger number of interactive-haskell-mode users.
1. Start in a foo.hs file 2. Load file 3. I get the lambda interface
Instead M-x run-haskell I get old interface
How do I get one uniform interface?
By not using run-haskell?
:-)
I figured that much out; viz that even if I dont need a file immediately I need to create a dummy hs file and load it.
Started with the minimum setup recommended in the Readme: (add-to-list 'load-path "~/lib/emacs/haskell-mode/") (require 'haskell-mode-autoloads) (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list "~/lib/emacs/haskell-mode/") Now from a haskell file doing C-c C-l does nothing but tell me to study haskell-mode for more instructions -- O well So look up haskell mode that has: For more information see also Info node `(haskell-mode)Getting Started'. However the Getting started is a broken link -- "No such node or anchor" It is (info "(haskell-mode)Interactive Haskell") which has the key bindings needed to get it working
Rustom Mody <rustompmody <at> gmail.com> writes:
Now from a haskell file doing C-c C-l
does nothing but tell me to study haskell-mode for more instructions -- O well
So look up haskell mode that has: For more information see also Info node `(haskell-mode)Getting Started'.
However the Getting started is a broken link -- "No such node or anchor"
It is (info "(haskell-mode)Interactive Haskell")
which has the key bindings needed to get it working
We accept patches for documentation, if you can help it would be appreciated. Note also our ticket: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-mode/issues/706 -- Gracjan
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