
Hi all, I'm working with a client right now on deploying an app. I was wondering if anyone had some recommendations for a Haskell-friendly host. I'm inclined to go with a VPS for this setup, but if there's reliable shared hosting, that would do as well. This client is fairly price-sensitive, so I don't think anything past the $20/month range to start off with. The only other requirement for this project is PostgreSQL. As far as wants: * Linux is preferable * A server that isn't on everyone's spam list would be better. Of course, I can route through an outside e-mail provider, but local would be nicer. * Have room to grow. For now, this is a fairly small app, but the hope of course is for it to expand. Thanks in advance. Michael

On Jan 31, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Snoyman wrote:
I'm working with a client right now on deploying an app. I was wondering if anyone had some recommendations for a Haskell-friendly host. I'm inclined to go with a VPS for this setup, but if there's reliable shared hosting, that would do as well. This client is fairly price-sensitive, so I don't think anything past the $20/month range to start off with. The only other requirement for this project is PostgreSQL. As far as wants:
I use Linode, and it seems to meet your needs as stated. Linux of your choice, $20/month, and you can run any software you run. The only tricky issue is that you need to pin your OS's kernel to whatever Linode uses -- you can't just upgrade when your OS distributor updates. I haven't used it for any business projects yet, so I can't really respond to its performance/scalability/enterprise-worthiness. I intend to deploy a small project there soon, but might use Amazon EC2 instead (depending on how much RAM it turns out Happstack really needs...)

Michael Snoyman
Hi all,
I'm working with a client right now on deploying an app. I was wondering if anyone had some recommendations for a Haskell-friendly host.
I'm a happy linode customer: http://www.linode.com/
G
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Gregory Collins

I'm a happy linode customer: http://www.linode.com/ Me too. I tried different hosting services before. They all have there strength. The linode shell is terrific!
If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then.. Marc Weber

OK, I guess the unananimous opinion in linode ;). Thanks for the input
everyone!
Michael
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Marc Weber
I'm a happy linode customer: http://www.linode.com/ Me too. I tried different hosting services before. They all have there strength. The linode shell is terrific!
If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
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Hi,
I'm also a happy linode customer. However, my happstack app eats a
lot of memory. I currently have plans to switch to prgmr.com because
their hosting plans give you much more RAM / dollar than any other
hosting company I've seen ($20 / month for a gig of RAM).
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Michael Snoyman
OK, I guess the unananimous opinion in linode ;). Thanks for the input everyone!
Michael
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Marc Weber
wrote: I'm a happy linode customer: http://www.linode.com/ Me too. I tried different hosting services before. They all have there strength. The linode shell is terrific!
If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Michael Snoyman
OK, I guess the unananimous opinion in linode ;). Thanks for the input everyone!
If it helps make your client even more comfortable: not only do I use Linode for my personal VPS, but we use them at work to host some fairly popular websites. Our sysadmin absolutely loves them to death; he's always raving about how easy our hosting is now since moving there. :-)

I use Webfaction.
http://www.webfaction.com/services/hosting
It's not a personal vps but you get ssh access and you can run any
webserver you want-- even a Haskell one:
http://wrwills.webfactional.com/2009/10/30/Haskell-on-a-Webfaction-Host
They support Postgres databases too.
It's cheaper than a vps (I'm paying $8.50 a month but you can pay as
little as $5.50), but possibly not as convenient.
-Rob
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Tom Tobin
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Michael Snoyman
wrote: OK, I guess the unananimous opinion in linode ;). Thanks for the input everyone!
If it helps make your client even more comfortable: not only do I use Linode for my personal VPS, but we use them at work to host some fairly popular websites. Our sysadmin absolutely loves them to death; he's always raving about how easy our hosting is now since moving there. :-) _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Robert Wills
I use Webfaction.
http://www.webfaction.com/services/hosting
It's not a personal vps but you get ssh access and you can run any webserver you want-- even a Haskell one:
http://wrwills.webfactional.com/2009/10/30/Haskell-on-a-Webfaction-Host
They support Postgres databases too.
It's cheaper than a vps (I'm paying $8.50 a month but you can pay as little as $5.50), but possibly not as convenient.
-Rob
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Tom Tobin
wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Michael Snoyman
wrote: OK, I guess the unananimous opinion in linode ;). Thanks for the input everyone!
If it helps make your client even more comfortable: not only do I use Linode for my personal VPS, but we use them at work to host some fairly popular websites. Our sysadmin absolutely loves them to death; he's always raving about how easy our hosting is now since moving there. :-)
Funny, I use a similar approach for my personal sites when I host them on nearlyfreespeech. My one complaint is that they use FreeBSD instead of Linux; if I found a webhost that let me compile straight from my Arch/Ubuntu box, I'd be very happy. (I'm sure they exist, but now I'm kind of addicted to nearlyfreespeech's cheap pricing...) Thanks for the suggestion. Michael

I use http://www.bytemark.co.uk/ and I'm quite satisfied. They offer Ubuntu, Debian and CentOS. Peter

2010/01/31 Marc Weber
If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
How did you get NixOS on your Linode system? They don't seem to offer it, last I checked. I'm looking in to doing this with PRGMR, which has pretty good pricing though it's not nearly as featureful as Linode. -- Jason Dusek

Does anyone have any Binaries that are built to run on EC2?
That would be super!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Jason Dusek
2010/01/31 Marc Weber
: If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
How did you get NixOS on your Linode system? They don't seem to offer it, last I checked.
I'm looking in to doing this with PRGMR, which has pretty good pricing though it's not nearly as featureful as Linode.
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If you need to run your server continuously you might be better off
with a cheap dedicated server.
To run my quid2.org site, a rather complex setup with a web server and
a number of background haskell processes, I use a server from the
French provider OVH/Kimsufi (http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ and
http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/dedicated_offers.xml ,main site is
ovh.com).
You can get a decent box for 15 euro a month and a hell of a machine
for 50/60 euros.
They also have some Cloud/VPS options, that I have not used.
Does anyone have first-hand experience with Amazon EC2?
They also look very tempting.
Best,
titto
On 19 March 2011 10:12, Lyndon Maydwell
Does anyone have any Binaries that are built to run on EC2?
That would be super!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Jason Dusek
wrote: 2010/01/31 Marc Weber
: If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
How did you get NixOS on your Linode system? They don't seem to offer it, last I checked.
I'm looking in to doing this with PRGMR, which has pretty good pricing though it's not nearly as featureful as Linode.
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Hi We run a the whole of our distributed file system (AFS) on a single AWS micro instance with linux containers inside. We then use other instances for various things as/when needed (using kerberos to distributed the management and control to the appropriate people). For example we have a EC2 machine that we power up and down as needed (still have to pay for the filestore when not being used - but that is very small) for GHC - used it this morning to upgrade our shared (via AFS) development environment to 7.0.2. All our other systems read of that (we are completely distributed operation). They've been great - had a physical processor go bad once - and also they had a h/w problem on one the machines once, that is in last 2 years or so about 6 operational system years. Neil On 19 Mar 2011, at 11:36, Pasqualino Titto Assini wrote:
If you need to run your server continuously you might be better off with a cheap dedicated server.
To run my quid2.org site, a rather complex setup with a web server and a number of background haskell processes, I use a server from the French provider OVH/Kimsufi (http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ and http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/dedicated_offers.xml ,main site is ovh.com).
You can get a decent box for 15 euro a month and a hell of a machine for 50/60 euros.
They also have some Cloud/VPS options, that I have not used.
Does anyone have first-hand experience with Amazon EC2?
They also look very tempting.
Best,
titto
On 19 March 2011 10:12, Lyndon Maydwell
wrote: Does anyone have any Binaries that are built to run on EC2?
That would be super!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Jason Dusek
wrote: 2010/01/31 Marc Weber
: If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
How did you get NixOS on your Linode system? They don't seem to offer it, last I checked.
I'm looking in to doing this with PRGMR, which has pretty good pricing though it's not nearly as featureful as Linode.
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Thanks for the info, it sounds reassuring.
One question: is machine performance stable? Do you ever see your
virtual machines slowing significantly?
My experience in running virtual machines locally is that it is easy
to use too much memory and end up with the machine badly swapping for
a while.
Have you ever seen this happening on EC2?
Thanks,
titto
On 19 March 2011 12:52, Neil Davies
Hi
We run a the whole of our distributed file system (AFS) on a single AWS micro instance with linux containers inside.
We then use other instances for various things as/when needed (using kerberos to distributed the management and control to the appropriate people). For example we have a EC2 machine that we power up and down as needed (still have to pay for the filestore when not being used - but that is very small) for GHC - used it this morning to upgrade our shared (via AFS) development environment to 7.0.2. All our other systems read of that (we are completely distributed operation).
They've been great - had a physical processor go bad once - and also they had a h/w problem on one the machines once, that is in last 2 years or so about 6 operational system years.
Neil
On 19 Mar 2011, at 11:36, Pasqualino Titto Assini wrote:
If you need to run your server continuously you might be better off with a cheap dedicated server.
To run my quid2.org site, a rather complex setup with a web server and a number of background haskell processes, I use a server from the French provider OVH/Kimsufi (http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ and http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/dedicated_offers.xml ,main site is ovh.com).
You can get a decent box for 15 euro a month and a hell of a machine for 50/60 euros.
They also have some Cloud/VPS options, that I have not used.
Does anyone have first-hand experience with Amazon EC2?
They also look very tempting.
Best,
titto
On 19 March 2011 10:12, Lyndon Maydwell
wrote: Does anyone have any Binaries that are built to run on EC2?
That would be super!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Jason Dusek
wrote: 2010/01/31 Marc Weber
: If all you want is standard debian or such it does'nt matter. However I tried installing NixOS Linux and I've had lot's of trouble until switching to linode. NixOS was up and running within 30min then..
How did you get NixOS on your Linode system? They don't seem to offer it, last I checked.
I'm looking in to doing this with PRGMR, which has pretty good pricing though it's not nearly as featureful as Linode.
-- Jason Dusek _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
_______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
-- Dr. Pasqualino "Titto" Assini http://quid2.org/
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-- Dr. Pasqualino "Titto" Assini http://quid2.org/
participants (12)
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Alexander Solla
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Gregory Collins
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Jason Dusek
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Lyndon Maydwell
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Marc Weber
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Michael Snoyman
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MightyByte
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Neil Davies
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Pasqualino "Titto" Assini
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Peter Robinson
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Robert Wills
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Tom Tobin