paul:

Hugo Pacheco wrote:

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http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html What does it mean, "*If* Programming Languages were religions"?

I think of Haskell more as a revolutionary movement.

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 20:38 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:

Don Stewart wrote:

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I think of Haskell more as a revolutionary movement

LOL! Longest revolution EVER, eh?

No. Das Kapital publication 1867. Russian Revolution 1917. FTW. jcc

as some german right-hegelian thinkers of the beginning of the 20th century noticed, the hegelian system is missing what we call 'action'. the whole system can be described as a timeless and closed set of invariant relations between parts of the world, which can also be seen as gods thinking. this critique is similar to the marxist turn of the hegelian philosophy. now, thinking of an timeless set of invariant relations, that should be extended by some concept of action, reminds me of haskell's monads. so I would say, haskell is not a revolutionary movement itself, its just a (or: THE) vehicle of the revolutionary progress that started 200 years ago (some might say, 2000 years ago). it's the place where the 'spirit of the world' comes to itself in these days... just kidding. daniel Jonathan Cast schrieb:

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 20:38 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:

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Don Stewart wrote:

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I think of Haskell more as a revolutionary movement

LOL! Longest revolution EVER, eh?

No.

Das Kapital publication 1867. Russian Revolution 1917.

FTW.

jcc

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On 2008 Dec 18, at 9:13, John Goerzen wrote:

Some ideas in Haskell are easy to integrate into other languages: see list comprehensions in Python. I don't see Perl picking up pervasive laziness anytime soon, nor Python compile-time type inference.

I think perl6 is specced with pervasive laziness, although I'm not sure it's actually implemented anywhere. -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH

2008/12/18 Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH :

On 2008 Dec 18, at 9:13, John Goerzen wrote:

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Some ideas in Haskell are easy to integrate into other languages: see list comprehensions in Python. I don't see Perl picking up pervasive laziness anytime soon, nor Python compile-time type inference.

I think perl6 is specced with pervasive laziness, although I'm not sure it's actually implemented anywhere.

I assumed it was implemented lazily, so that when you use it somewhere, the Perl 6 developers implement that part of the feature :-) Paul.

(Sorry for the late reply) On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Andrew Coppin wrote:

Don Stewart wrote:

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I think of Haskell more as a revolutionary movement

LOL! Longest revolution EVER, eh? I mean, how long ago was its dogma first codified? ;-)

Remember: the eternal union of soviet socialist states lasted about 7 times as long as Hitler's thousand-year Reich (meanwhile, Jefferson's temporary experiment still seems to be lurching along about as well as ever). Nothing is as permanent as that which is declared temporary, and nothing is as temporary as that which is declared permanent. Also, constants aren't and variables don't.

The thing that saddens me is this:

http://prog21.dadgum.com/31.html

Basically, Haskell will never be popular, but its coolest ideas will be stolen by everybody else and passed off as their own. :-(

We should be so lucky. My deepest fears is that Haskell doesn't become popular *and* it's ideas aren't picked up by other languages. Brian

Don Stewart wrote:

paul:

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What does it mean, "*If* Programming Languages were religions"?

I think of Haskell more as a revolutionary movement.

Hmm. Have a look at my submission for the logo contest. Paul.