Dan Burton writes:

Will base-4.13.0.0 (which ships with ghc 8.8) be uploaded to hackage?

Yes, although it's currently waiting for someone with maintainer rights for `base`, et al to push them. I have requested access myself although haven't yet heard back. Cheers, - Ben

On October 3, 2019 11:23:26 PM EDT, David Feuer wrote:

Any news?

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:22 PM Ben Gamari wrote:

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Dan Burton writes:

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Will base-4.13.0.0 (which ships with ghc 8.8) be uploaded to hackage?

Yes, although it's currently waiting for someone with maintainer rights for `base`, et al to push them. I have requested access myself although haven't yet heard back.

The issue (#17246) is still blocked on others. One issue is that uploading the 8.8 boot packages first requires that hackage.haskell.org to be upgraded and no Hackage admin has had time to do this yet.

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Do you mean because you want to read the documentation, or is there some other reason that base ought to be on Hackage? It's not installable from there, as far as I know. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 02:03:02PM +0900, Fumiaki Kinoshita wrote:

Any updates? It's a crisis that the standard library is unavailable on Hackage...

2019年10月4日(金) 12:30 Ben Gamari :

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Any news?

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Dan Burton writes:

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Will base-4.13.0.0 (which ships with ghc 8.8) be uploaded to hackage?

Yes, although it's currently waiting for someone with maintainer rights for `base`, et al to push them. I have requested access myself although haven't yet heard back.

The issue (#17246) is still blocked on others. One issue is that uploading

On October 3, 2019 11:23:26 PM EDT, David Feuer wrote: the 8.8 boot packages first requires that hackage.haskell.org to be upgraded and no Hackage admin has had time to do this yet.

There is also no ghc package entry for 8.8.1, unfortunately. -- Best, Artem On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 at 17:10, Brandon Allbery wrote:

Documentation is helpful, yes.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Tom Ellis < tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2017@jaguarpaw.co.uk> wrote:

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Do you mean because you want to read the documentation, or is there some other reason that base ought to be on Hackage? It's not installable from there, as far as I know.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 02:03:02PM +0900, Fumiaki Kinoshita wrote:

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Any updates? It's a crisis that the standard library is unavailable on Hackage...

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On October 3, 2019 11:23:26 PM EDT, David Feuer <

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Any news?

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Dan Burton writes:

> Will base-4.13.0.0 (which ships with ghc 8.8) be uploaded to hackage? > Yes, although it's currently waiting for someone with maintainer rights for `base`, et al to push them. I have requested access myself although haven't yet heard back.

The issue (#17246) is still blocked on others. One issue is that uploading

wrote: the 8.8 boot packages first requires that hackage.haskell.org to be upgraded and no Hackage admin has had time to do this yet.

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Thank you for clarifying the situation. I'm not sure if I understand the reasoning behind the dependency either, but I'll see if I can help with hackage-server. 2019年10月30日(水) 12:11 Ben Gamari :

Fumiaki Kinoshita writes:

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Any updates? It's a crisis that the standard library is unavailable on Hackage...

I agree; having a release out for two months without full representation on Hackage is quite suboptimal. Unfortunately, the Hackage trustees have quite a bit on their plate. I have spoken to Herbert, who usually handles the boot library uploads, several times about this and I have gleaned that the situation is as follows:

* hackage-server needs to be updated to Cabal-3, tested, and the deployment updated before the remaining boot packages can be uploaded (admittedly I'm not familiar with the technical reasons for this dependency, but this is what I have been told)

This is an area where a dedicated volunteer could help enormously. hackage-server is just another Haskell program (albeit one lacking contributors); all that updating it would require is time.

* Herbert has said that he also wants to take a careful look through the packages before uploading them to ensure that no serious mistakes are committed permanently to the Hackage cache

For what it is worth, I have asked several times whether I can help with the upload process but have been turned down repeatedly. I can't claim that I fully understand the reasoning behind this, but I can nevertheless respect the decision.

I also am reluctant to make demands on the time of others. In particular, the trustees are all volunteers with lives and jobs who carry out often quite thankless work. We all owe them an enormous debt of gratitude for maintaining the infrastructure that we rely on every day, usually without thinking twice.

I wish I could offer a clever idea for accelerating this process; sadly, the problem seems to be an unfortunate combination of technical dependencies (e.g. the boot library upload requiring a hackage-server update), a lack of contributors to help resolve this dependency, and a small but very busy set of core contributors.

It seems to me that it would be best if we could grow the set of people who are regularly involved in Hackage administration to avoid this happening in the future. However, this will require that people who don't mind doing a bit of less-than-thrilling work (e.g. updating hackage-server) pitch in.

Cheers,

- Ben

My questions at this point are: * What are the reasons that hackage-server must be upgraded to Cabal 3? * What are the reasons that make this upgrade difficult? * Can publishing to hackage be considered a proper part of the ghc release process in the future? On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 07:30 Tom Ellis < tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2017@jaguarpaw.co.uk> wrote:

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* hackage-server needs to be updated to Cabal-3, tested, and the deployment updated before the remaining boot packages can be uploaded (admittedly I'm not familiar with the technical reasons for this dependency, but this is what I have been told)

Perhaps Herbert could pitch in with an explanation because I think a lot of people will be feeling quite puzzled at this point. _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list To (un)subscribe, modify options or view archives go to: http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe Only members subscribed via the mailman list are allowed to post.

I just realised another reason why this upload is important - I use http://packdeps.haskellers.com/ RSS feed support to notify me when any of my packages have out of date dependencies. Unfortunately, I haven't actually got any notifications about my packages not building with GHC 8.8, so I'm having to rely on users reporting issues. On Wed, 30 Oct 2019, 11:01 pm Ben Gamari, wrote:

Dan Burton writes:

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My questions at this point are:

* What are the reasons that hackage-server must be upgraded to Cabal 3?

I'll leave this to Herbert as I am also not clear on this point. None of the 8.8.1 boot packages should be relying on Cabal 3 syntax in their .cabal files so I'm not sure what specifically gives rise to this dependency.

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* What are the reasons that make this upgrade difficult?

Cabal 3 does change quite a bit. In response to the number of requests to get this un-stuck I put in some work [1] this week and last to start the upgrade. Indeed the process is non-trivial and requires touching a lot of code.

Nearly all of this churn is due to the removal of the Text typeclass in favor of the Parsec and Pretty typeclasses. These changes are generally quite mechanical but do take time.

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* Can publishing to hackage be considered a proper part of the ghc release process in the future?

I am quite willing to handle the uploads as part of the release process if this is the direction we decide to take.

Cheers,

- Ben

[1] https://github.com/bgamari/hackage-server/tree/cabal-3 _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list To (un)subscribe, modify options or view archives go to: http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe Only members subscribed via the mailman list are allowed to post.