Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

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Henk-Jan van Tuyl

16 Apr 2015 16 Apr '15

9:41 p.m.

L.S., From the Tiobe index page[0] of this month: Another interesting move this month concerns Scala. The functional programming language jumps to position 25 after having been between position 30 and 50 for many years. Scala seems to be ready to enter the top 20 for the first time in history. Haskell dropped from the top 50 last month and hasn't come back. I suppose, if Haskell compiled to JVM, Haskell would have a much wider audience. Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl [0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html -- Folding@home What if you could share your unused computer power to help find a cure? In just 5 minutes you can join the world's biggest networked computer and get us closer sooner. Watch the video. http://folding.stanford.edu/ http://Van.Tuyl.eu/ http://members.chello.nl/hjgtuyl/tourdemonad.html Haskell programming --

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Gautier DI FOLCO

16 Apr 16 Apr

10:31 p.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

2015-04-16 21:41 GMT+00:00 Henk-Jan van Tuyl :

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L.S.,

From the Tiobe index page[0] of this month: Another interesting move this month concerns Scala. The functional programming language jumps to position 25 after having been between position 30 and 50 for many years. Scala seems to be ready to enter the top 20 for the first time in history.

Haskell dropped from the top 50 last month and hasn't come back. I suppose, if Haskell compiled to JVM, Haskell would have a much wider audience.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

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First of all do you know how this ranking is build? It's an agglomeration of nonsense values which aim to give the language trend. Maybe Scala has benefited of the JVM or maybe it has profited of the auto-assigned "functional" because some communities, like the Haskell community, have heavily worked for that during decades. The only side-effect of a growth in this ranking will attract some addicted to Resumé Driven-Development. Popular or not, you can do anything you want with Haskell and no ranking will change that.

Benjamin Edwards

17 Apr 17 Apr

6:25 a.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

I have to concede the industry buzz is strong with Scala (currently Scala is my job). The JVM does have a role to play, but mostly in the access it gives you to the Java ecosystem. It's a shame because I'd much rather be using haskell but when you have 10 employees and your business isn't making the platform you can't afford to make the platform. We have nothing like spark or finagle ready to go as far as I am aware. Something finagle like (metrics + pluggable load balancing + platform agnostic + autoscaling (via zk / mdns)) would be huge. I am trying to find the time to hack on these sorts of projects and failing. Ben On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:31 pm Gautier DI FOLCO wrote:

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2015-04-16 21:41 GMT+00:00 Henk-Jan van Tuyl :

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L.S.,

From the Tiobe index page[0] of this month: Another interesting move this month concerns Scala. The functional programming language jumps to position 25 after having been between position 30 and 50 for many years. Scala seems to be ready to enter the top 20 for the first time in history.

Haskell dropped from the top 50 last month and hasn't come back. I suppose, if Haskell compiled to JVM, Haskell would have a much wider audience.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

-- Folding@home What if you could share your unused computer power to help find a cure? In just 5 minutes you can join the world's biggest networked computer and get us closer sooner. Watch the video. http://folding.stanford.edu/

http://Van.Tuyl.eu/ http://members.chello.nl/hjgtuyl/tourdemonad.html Haskell programming -- _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

First of all do you know how this ranking is build? It's an agglomeration of nonsense values which aim to give the language trend. Maybe Scala has benefited of the JVM or maybe it has profited of the auto-assigned "functional" because some communities, like the Haskell community, have heavily worked for that during decades. The only side-effect of a growth in this ranking will attract some addicted to Resumé Driven-Development. Popular or not, you can do anything you want with Haskell and no ranking will change that. _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Benjamin Edwards

6:29 a.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 7:25 am Benjamin Edwards wrote: Sorry, that should read protocol agnostic! I have to concede the industry buzz is strong with Scala (currently Scala is my job). The JVM does have a role to play, but mostly in the access it gives you to the Java ecosystem. It's a shame because I'd much rather be using haskell but when you have 10 employees and your business isn't making the platform you can't afford to make the platform. We have nothing like spark or finagle ready to go as far as I am aware. Something finagle like (metrics + pluggable load balancing + platform agnostic + autoscaling (via zk / mdns)) would be huge. I am trying to find the time to hack on these sorts of projects and failing. Ben

Robert Wills

6:35 a.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

If the often heard statement that Scala is a gateway drug for Haskell is true, then Haskell should be following Scala up the rankings shortly. On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Benjamin Edwards wrote:

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On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 7:25 am Benjamin Edwards wrote:

Sorry, that should read protocol agnostic!

I have to concede the industry buzz is strong with Scala (currently Scala is my job). The JVM does have a role to play, but mostly in the access it gives you to the Java ecosystem. It's a shame because I'd much rather be using haskell but when you have 10 employees and your business isn't making the platform you can't afford to make the platform. We have nothing like spark or finagle ready to go as far as I am aware. Something finagle like (metrics + pluggable load balancing + platform agnostic + autoscaling (via zk / mdns)) would be huge. I am trying to find the time to hack on these sorts of projects and failing.

Ben

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Tony Morris

19 Apr 19 Apr

8:55 a.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

Scala cracks me up, since 2007. On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Benjamin Edwards wrote:

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I have to concede the industry buzz is strong with Scala (currently Scala is my job). The JVM does have a role to play, but mostly in the access it gives you to the Java ecosystem. It's a shame because I'd much rather be using haskell but when you have 10 employees and your business isn't making the platform you can't afford to make the platform. We have nothing like spark or finagle ready to go as far as I am aware. Something finagle like (metrics + pluggable load balancing + platform agnostic + autoscaling (via zk / mdns)) would be huge. I am trying to find the time to hack on these sorts of projects and failing.

Ben

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:31 pm Gautier DI FOLCO wrote:

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2015-04-16 21:41 GMT+00:00 Henk-Jan van Tuyl :

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L.S.,

From the Tiobe index page[0] of this month: Another interesting move this month concerns Scala. The functional programming language jumps to position 25 after having been between position 30 and 50 for many years. Scala seems to be ready to enter the top 20 for the first time in history.

Haskell dropped from the top 50 last month and hasn't come back. I suppose, if Haskell compiled to JVM, Haskell would have a much wider audience.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

-- Folding@home What if you could share your unused computer power to help find a cure? In just 5 minutes you can join the world's biggest networked computer and get us closer sooner. Watch the video. http://folding.stanford.edu/

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First of all do you know how this ranking is build? It's an agglomeration of nonsense values which aim to give the language trend. Maybe Scala has benefited of the JVM or maybe it has profited of the auto-assigned "functional" because some communities, like the Haskell community, have heavily worked for that during decades. The only side-effect of a growth in this ranking will attract some addicted to Resumé Driven-Development. Popular or not, you can do anything you want with Haskell and no ranking will change that. _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

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David Turner

17 Apr 17 Apr

6:54 a.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

If you like arbitrary rankings, you might like http://githut.info/ which a colleage pointed me at recently. In 2014Q4, in terms of number of active Github repositories, Scala is #19 and Haskell is #21 and yet in terms of open issues, Scala is #3 and Haskell is #23. Make of that what you will. On 16 April 2015 at 22:41, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

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L.S.,

From the Tiobe index page[0] of this month: Another interesting move this month concerns Scala. The functional programming language jumps to position 25 after having been between position 30 and 50 for many years. Scala seems to be ready to enter the top 20 for the first time in history.

Haskell dropped from the top 50 last month and hasn't come back. I suppose, if Haskell compiled to JVM, Haskell would have a much wider audience.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

-- Folding@home What if you could share your unused computer power to help find a cure? In just 5 minutes you can join the world's biggest networked computer and get us closer sooner. Watch the video. http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Ignacio Blasco

18 Apr 18 Apr

8:26 a.m.

New subject: Scala at position 25 of the Tiobe index, Haskell dropped below 50

Probably this has to do with the popularity of Spark El 17/4/2015 8:54 a. m., "David Turner" escribió:

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If you like arbitrary rankings, you might like http://githut.info/ which a colleage pointed me at recently. In 2014Q4, in terms of number of active Github repositories, Scala is #19 and Haskell is #21 and yet in terms of open issues, Scala is #3 and Haskell is #23. Make of that what you will.

On 16 April 2015 at 22:41, Henk-Jan van Tuyl wrote:

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L.S.,

From the Tiobe index page[0] of this month: Another interesting move this month concerns Scala. The functional programming language jumps to position 25 after having been between

position

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30 and 50 for many years. Scala seems to be ready to enter the top 20 for the first time in history.

Haskell dropped from the top 50 last month and hasn't come back. I suppose, if Haskell compiled to JVM, Haskell would have a much wider audience.

Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl

[0] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

-- Folding@home What if you could share your unused computer power to help find a cure? In just 5 minutes you can join the world's biggest networked computer and get us closer sooner. Watch the video. http://folding.stanford.edu/

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james

11:06 a.m.

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Probably this has to do with the popularity of Spark

or Akka, or that there is a choice of IDEs. We have seen candidates with negative Scala experiences, but the trend seems to be to go to Java 8 rather than a different functional language. The negatives seem to relate to speed of compilation (and to some extent execution) and difficulties with debuggers. And that the IDEs, while better than nothing, are not anything like as slick as they are with Java. The extent to which Haskell would be better on any of these things is hard to judge. Runtime and gc is a concern - at least with the JVM you can consider paying for Azul C4.

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