Am 19.12.2008 um 11:43 schrieb Paulo Tanimoto:

* an insect or animal: don't know which one, and I assume that beetle in the new book is trademarked by O'Reilly. Maybe something like FalconNL's Monica Monad, but a little more serious.

Just as an idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth These animals are very lazy and very cool ;-) . . . Tobias

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* an insect or animal: don't know which one, and I assume

Am 19.12.2008 um 11:43 schrieb Paulo Tanimoto: that beetle

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in the new book is trademarked by O'Reilly. Maybe something like FalconNL's Monica Monad, but a little more serious.

Just as an idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth

These animals are very lazy and very cool ;-)

Can you trademark a picture of a beetle? I would think that, if the book becomes sufficiently popular, that the beetle will become the associated animal (is that how Perl's camel became its icon?). I'd like to know what the relationship is between the O'Reilly camel and the Perl camel - was the Perl Foundation or perl.org given permission to use the camel? That said, I also like the sloth. Alistair ***************************************************************** Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message, and any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged material. It is intended solely for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. *****************************************************************

The ouroboros was used as a logo of the "second order cybernetics" by Heinz von Förster. But I don't know of any programming language using this as logo. regards, daniel Paulo Tanimoto schrieb:

Hello,

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Bayley, Alistair wrote:

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That said, I also like the sloth.

Alistair

I quite like the sloth too, that would be a great mascot if you ask me. Distinctive, conveys the idea of laziness, warm & fuzzy, etc. I hope somebody can come up with a design with it.

Conrad's robot idea is also appealing to me, which is funny because we're so picky about side-effects. (There's a logo with a missile in the page too.) Remember that robot mascot that Firefox had a while ago?

Another idea: something in the form of an Ouroboros. Is that already "taken" for a programming language?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

I should open up my GEB again.

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what about such a variation? something between an ouroborob, a lambda and a mermaid... By the way: I mixed up something: My note, that the orouboros was used as a logo for Heinz von Försters second order cybernetics, was not correct. The correct note should have been: Heinz von Förster, the later founder of the second order cybernetics, invented the ouroboros as a logo for the american society for cybernetics. http://www.asc-cybernetics.org/ daniel

Paulo Tanimoto wrote:

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Another idea: something in the form of an Ouroboros. Is that already "taken" for a programming language?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

Something like this?

http://www.haskell.org/sitewiki/images/f/fd/Ouroborous-oval.png

Paul

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On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Ketil Malde wrote:

I agree with this, but would also add that referring to foundations, history or theory (lambda) is better than referring to syntax (>>). I don't know if it was proposed as a serious option, but I quite like the idea of using _|_ as a symbol.

At least here the symbol _|_ is commonly used to denote that offensive gesture that we don't want to see in a logo. Please don't do that =). (By "commonly" I mean "by everyone who doesn't know what 'bottom' is".) -- Felipe.

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On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:10 -0800, Ashley Yakeley wrote:

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I browsed around a bit for logos from other languages... ... All of these get one thing right that the current and most of the proposed Haskell logos do not: they don't make any reference to the syntax of the language itself. Doing so seems to miss the point of a logo: it's supposed to appeal visually, rather than semantically. So I'd like to see some submissions that don't use lambdas.

I commented on this to Cale;

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... the mountain is the only real 'iconic' one :), ruby has a ruby, python has pythons, java has its coffee, lua has the moon, Scheme had the lambda before Haskell, perl has its (de facto) camel, etc. C(++|#) and older languages tend to be the odd ones out

This is why I like Cale's mountain (which incorporates a sneaky lambda ;P). A mountain peak/summit/apex also has nice connotations!

http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas#Cale_Gibbard

Such as few people being able to breathe at their rarefied heights? :) Well, at least it isn't a white tower of some sort... - -- gwern -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAklMN5IACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oIfrQCfdyRqmL55M4noKc3Zbz7VYYW1 WeUAn2EkO5BhQE03wtbtW+vwsIRRmfZZ =sdjS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----