hya this topic is hot, and I wonder why :s well, I've been thinking, the EclipseFP people have done more or less a fine job (I'm trying their "live" build, things feel natural). but the problem is, to build something like EclipseFP you have to know both Java and Haskell and on top of that you have to be very familiar with the Eclipse plug-in architecture. whining: - should have had folds for where and let clauses - the error messages are still cryptic (and unformatted!) - there was no tooltip for functions - the default color chosen for functions is way too bright - ... (many silly Java expectations follow) but what if we _ask_ eclipse.org to help us out? like, an official collaboration? they have done an excellent job promoting free software. this should be sort of a recognition for them. the point is, GUI _is_ easier to build in Java. and those people are experts. should not take much time. as for me, I'll be happy to watch the impact Haskell will have on Java fans. two things just to make sure this post is not absolutely superfluous: - without drinking anything I was feeling drunk that night and so I posted some of my hIDEous thoughts in http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Talk:HIDE page. Lemmih left a note saying I was not so genuine, a project called Proxima has implemented (or at least, proposed) most of the ideas. I checked it out and was ashamed of my lack of original idea. however, though the paper was absolutely dreamy, the implementation,.. how do I put it humbly.. sucked. I am sure the Eclipse people will appreciate the Proxima ideas. please ask them to build a Proxima style IDE for Haskell. - about formatted error messages (I am sure you guys don't care), could someone build a light GHC front end that given a .hs/.lhs file produces two XML files with specified DTD, the parsed structure and the error messages? the reason for choosing XML is that not only the Java people (including Leif Frenzel) but also virtually anyone can access these information (in order to create a great IDE) immediately and without loosing the structure. cheers, Imam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com