
I have read quite a lot of Haskell papers, lately, and noticed that the number 42 appeared quite often, in informal tutorials as well as in very serious research papers. No wonder Haskell is the Answer to The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, but I would like to know who started this, and when. Google wasn't much help, and I can't believe it's coincidence --hence this email. I hope I didn't opened some Pandora box. :-) Cheers, Loup

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Loup Vaillant
I have read quite a lot of Haskell papers, lately, and noticed that the number 42 appeared quite often, in informal tutorials as well as in very serious research papers. No wonder Haskell is the Answer to The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, but I would like to know who started this, and when.
I believe it was Douglas Adams, author of the "trilogy" "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". You may enjoy reading it, if you haven't. -- Denis

Denis Bueno wrote:
On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Loup Vaillant
wrote: I have read quite a lot of Haskell papers, lately, and noticed that the number 42 appeared quite often, in informal tutorials as well as in very serious research papers. No wonder Haskell is the Answer to The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, but I would like to know who started this, and when.
I believe it was Douglas Adams, author of the "trilogy" "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". You may enjoy reading it, if you haven't.
I think Loup is aware of the hitchhiker books (see the reference to the Great Question of ... Everything). So unless Douglas Adams wrote some Haskell papers I am not aware of, the original question is still open ;-) Happy weekend... Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:voigt@tcs.inf.tu-dresden.de

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Janis Voigtlaender
I think Loup is aware of the hitchhiker books (see the reference to the Great Question of ... Everything).
Ah, I didn't read that correctly. I assumed that something he read something that had described Haskell as the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. Sorry about that. -- Denis

Loup,
This is not unique to the Haskell community. I suspect the arbitrary
constant 42 has been appearing unexplained in research papers for as
long as there have been computer scientists who were sci-fi geeks
(absolutely no offense intended to geeks ;-). It would be very
difficult indeed to figure out who did this first, without some highly
dedicated library research.
Chris
On Feb 1, 2008 9:03 AM, Loup Vaillant
I have read quite a lot of Haskell papers, lately, and noticed that the number 42 appeared quite often, in informal tutorials as well as in very serious research papers. No wonder Haskell is the Answer to The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, but I would like to know who started this, and when.
Google wasn't much help, and I can't believe it's coincidence --hence this email. I hope I didn't opened some Pandora box. :-)
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2008/2/1, Christopher L Conway
Loup,
This is not unique to the Haskell community. I suspect the arbitrary constant 42 has been appearing unexplained in research papers for as long as there have been computer scientists who were sci-fi geeks (absolutely no offense intended to geeks ;-). It would be very difficult indeed to figure out who did this first, without some highly dedicated library research.
I suspected this. Just that I didn't noticed 42 but in Haskell papers. Maybe this is just a bias due to my recent interests. I should check some C/C++/Lisp/Ocaml papers. About the library search, Maybe it is possible to try a giant "grep" on all papers in ACM Portal, or CiteSeer? Loup

On Feb 1, 2008 9:27 AM, Loup Vaillant
I suspected this. Just that I didn't noticed 42 but in Haskell papers. Maybe this is just a bias due to my recent interests. I should check some C/C++/Lisp/Ocaml papers.
About the library search, Maybe it is possible to try a giant "grep" on all papers in ACM Portal, or CiteSeer?
I tried this briefly on the ACM. You need to be able to exclude citations, footnotes, volume numbers, etc., and their "Advanced Search" is not quite that advanced. :-) Chris

Hi --- The arbitrary constant was made popular by Douglas Adams in the mid-1970s radio series ``A Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'' (a trilogy in 4 parts) --- however it does have a basis in the standard model of physics --- a paper in Phys.Rev. of the early 1970s described the unification of the Electro-Weak and Strong nuclear forces --- the arbitrary constant (of nearly) 42 appears in the calculations. I forget the original paper but if you get hold of Frank Close ``The Cosmic Onion'' a graph reproduces the result. I met Douglas Adams once at a book signing and asked him how he got hold of the Phys.Rev. paper so early. Technically he should have written that ``42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything except for gravity and a few other arbitrary constants'' Adams was interested in computing --- I think his reaction to being told about functional programming was to wonder what non-functional programming might be. Phil On 1 Feb 2008, at 14:03, Loup Vaillant wrote:
I have read quite a lot of Haskell papers, lately, and noticed that the number 42 appeared quite often, in informal tutorials as well as in very serious research papers. No wonder Haskell is the Answer to The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, but I would like to know who started this, and when.
Google wasn't much help, and I can't believe it's coincidence --hence this email. I hope I didn't opened some Pandora box. :-)
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Phil> Adams was interested in computing --- I think his reaction Phil> to being told about functional programming was to wonder Phil> what non-functional programming might be. Curiously, that was my reaction too when i first heard of the term (from a university student who was complaining that it was too hard). -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire

To pre-empt the next couple of questions, the numbers 17 and 23 are from _The Illuminatus! Trilogy_ by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, and the number 37 is from the Jersey Trilogy of movies by Kevin Smith. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Chevalier * http://cs.pdx.edu/~tjc * Often in error, never in doubt "I'm a nonbeliever, but I believe in your smile." -- Laura Nyro

Hi
Phil Molyneux
Hi --- The arbitrary constant was made popular by Douglas Adams in the mid-1970s radio series ``A Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'' (a trilogy in 4 parts) --- however it does have a basis in the standard model of physics --- a paper in Phys.Rev. of the early 1970s described the unification of the Electro-Weak and Strong nuclear forces --- the arbitrary constant (of nearly) 42 appears in the calculations. I forget the original paper but if you get hold of Frank Close ``The Cosmic Onion'' a graph reproduces the result. I met Douglas Adams once at a book signing and asked him how he got hold of the Phys.Rev. paper so early. Technically he should have written that ``42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything except for gravity and a few other arbitrary constants''
In the Japanese culture the number 42 has a very special meaning. I realized that while discussing cultural differences with a Japanese. Pronouncing 42 sounds like "death" or "to die". No hotel in Japan has a room 42. After knowing that it is hard to think that Doug Adams was not aware of that meaning. Best, Tinu

Martin Lüthi:
In the Japanese culture the number 42 has a very special meaning. I realized that while discussing cultural differences with a Japanese. Pronouncing 42 sounds like "death" or "to die". No hotel in Japan has a room 42.
After knowing that it is hard to think that Doug Adams was not aware of that meaning.
Phil Molyneux:
... it does have a basis in the standard model of physics --- a paper in Phys.Rev. of the early 1970s described the unification of the Electro-Weak and Strong nuclear forces --- the arbitrary constant (of nearly) 42 appears in the calculations. I forget the original paper but if you get hold of Frank Close ``The Cosmic Onion'' a graph reproduces the result. I met Douglas Adams once at a book signing and asked him how he got hold of the Phys.Rev. paper so early. Technically he should have written that ``42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything except for gravity and a few other arbitrary constants''
Bother...! You will discover the third (or the sixth?) moment of the Riemann zeta function which has this 42 in it, and without doubt, you will find something in Talmud and the Pyramides. And the mass of the Galaxy which is 3*10^42. And it takes light 10^(-42) sec. to cross the diameter of a proton, although if I were light, I wouldn'd do such silly thing. Fortunately I am heavy. And at least one of YOU is 42 years old, and I was once. (Yes, the number 1 which is even more magical). Perhaps before claiming before you know really something, because Adams told you so personally, you have a look here. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.douglas-adams/msg/d1064f7b27808692?dm ode=source&hl=en ... And if you run a non-optimized Haskell program which computes the Fibonacci of 42, then you have to wait so long, that you must build a special Supercomputer for it. It has, BTW. been built, and it is called the "haskell-cafe mailing list". Jerzy Karczmarczuk

That depends partly on how 42 it is pronounced.
Normally, it is pronounced "yon-juu-ni," which has no
relevance to "death." However, it is also possible to
pronounce it "shi-ni," which also means "to die."
Incidentally, it is the 4 part of 42 that is
pronounced "shi," which alternatively means "death,"
and I have heard that there is also no hotel room in
Japan with the number 4. (However, there are hotel
rooms here with the number 13.) (Also, items in
department stores are never sold (at least to my
knowledge) in sets of 4.)
In addition, the age 42 is considered a major
climacteric age for men in Japan as well (for those
who can read Japanese, see the Japanese Wikipedia
entry for "yaku-doshi" (climacteric year))
(http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8E%84%E5%B9%B4).
(In general, the ages of 25, 42, and 61 are considered
climacteric ages for men, and the ages of 19, 33, and
37 are considered climacteric for women, with 33 being
the major climacteric age for women. Incidentally, 33
is pronounced "san-zan," which means "disastrous.")
Does anybody else know of any culture where the number
42 holds special meaning; if so, what special meaning?
Benjamin L. Russell
--- Martin Lüthi
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In the Japanese culture the number 42 has a very special meaning. I realized that while discussing cultural differences with a Japanese. Pronouncing 42 sounds like "death" or "to die". No hotel in Japan has a room 42.
participants (10)
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answer@tnoo.net
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Benjamin L. Russell
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Christopher L Conway
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Colin Paul Adams
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Denis Bueno
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Janis Voigtlaender
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jerzy.karczmarczuk@info.unicaen.fr
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Loup Vaillant
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Phil Molyneux
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Tim Chevalier