----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Latter" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Frustrating experience of a wannabe contributor

The closest existing page I could find on the wiki was this one:

http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC/Using_the_FFI

How did you find it? If you look in my original post you can see that I found it too but only by searching for "create" and then manually checking.

But it is a Wiki. If you were to just make a page and put it somewhere, I doubt anyone would get too mad.

Yes, but will the next one find it? And is there a standard way to find such things we can describe to a newbie? Kind regards, Andreas

On 7/18/07, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:

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Hello Andreas,

Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 8:17:38 PM, you wrote:

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So I tried to find a place where it might have posted or at least fit into.

there is a full list of wiki pages

-- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com

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On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 14:06 -0500, Antoine Latter wrote:

MediaWiki's search isn't fantastic - what I did was a google search on "site:www.haskell.org DLL"

It's not a very good answer, but it's the only answer I know.

In general I find Google's search to be more comprehensive and effective than pretty much any search provided by a site (for itself). Useful tricks for haskell, Search mailinglists: site:haskell.org inurl:pipermail Search new wiki: site:haskell.org inurl:haskellwiki Search old wiki: site:haskell.org inurl:hawiki

I am not sure what you are refering to. Are there any pages about DLLs that I didn't find? If so why couldn't I find them? Are you refering to wiki pages in general? I never said that there are no wiki pages. I just said that I couldn't find an appropriate place where I would post something about creating DLLs. A second point was that I think "wiki articles" and "wiki blogs" are not very well positioned under "Lerning Haskell" on the main wiki page. Am I missing something? (If yes then why?) Did I missunderstand you? Kind regards Andreas PS: Bulat I really appreciate your involvement here, in fact I wanted to try to contribute that what I feel I can contribute, but I failed. And I thought I describe my failure so we as a community can learn from it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bulat Ziganshin" To: "Andreas Marth" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Frustrating experience of a wannabe contributor

Hello Andreas,

Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 8:17:38 PM, you wrote:

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So I tried to find a place where it might have posted or at least fit into.

there is a full list of wiki pages

-- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com

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You can even post via gmane. Tip: for more powerful searching, use Thunderbird + gmane's NNTP interface.

Thanks for again pointing out that I didn't want another way to get the information, but I have to defend Simon. His first response was a reworking of the wiki page for the haskell mailing lists. What led me to learning about gmain and its search function. So I added the hint that you can use gmain to search in the mailing archives on that page. And now hopefully the next person who tries to find something in the mailing lists succeds in doing so. :-) That leaves 2 (of my original 3) points: 1) make the wiki search function return all documents containig the search term (who can do that?) 2) consider creating a new wiki topic "Problems and solutions working with haskell" As the 2nd point regards the main wiki page I think the community should be involved with that decision. I don't really want that topic but we are missing a categorie here. Kind regards Andreas PS: I don't consider my self a newcomer. :-) I am on this list already a couple of years, I just don't post to often. (Actually the recent discussion about maintaining the community and the progress of newcomers to experts inspired me to move forward and put something on the wiki.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Schafer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Frustrating experience of a wannabe contributor On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:00:20 -0700, you wrote:

You can even post via gmane.

Tip: for more powerful searching, use Thunderbird + gmane's NNTP interface.

I think people are missing the original poster's point. He's not looking for alternative ways to get from A to B; he's pointing out that a typical approach that one might try to get from A to B is broken. As an aside, this seems to be a prevalent issue, particularly with non-commercial technically-oriented communities. When a newcomer says, "Hey, I tried this [intuitively obvious] way to do something, and it didn't work," the welcoming response is NOT, "Oh, don't do that; do this other [less intuitive] thing instead." The welcoming response is to fix the damn thing so that the intuitive approach works! Steve Schafer Fenestra Technologies Corp. http://www.fenestra.com/ _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Simon Michael writes:

Hi Andreas - very good problem report, thanks.

I have just cleaned up the archive links at http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Mailing_lists a bit. I added the ever-excellent gmane and an overview of all archives.

Ok, this list was crushing my OS X Mail program (not the coldest beer in the fridge) so I went to a hybrid approach of reading on gmane, and using NetNewsWire to track the news feed from gmane. As a result, I don't have original mail messages to reply to. I nevertheless want to use my Mail program to originate posts, in order to cc: interested parties directly as appears to be the custom, and in hopes that at least some recipients won't have xs@(x,xt) in Haskell source code rewritten as xs <at> (x,xt). When I send a message "Re: thread" it appears to break the thread, showing up as a singleton in gmane's thread list. It appears that I am caught between a rock and a hard place.