Haskell Weekly News: Issue 155 - October 20, 2010

Welcome to issue 155 of the HWN, a newsletter covering developments in the [1]Haskell community in the week of October 10 - 16. This time around we again have 87 posts to HackageDB. Instead of posting the individual packages, we get to see and celebrate the 43 people behind these efforts. Want to keep a close eye on the haskellers that lurk twitter? Don Steward made [2]a twitter list of tweeting haskellers! Let him know if you'd like to be added to the list. There were a total of 24 new stories posted to the Haskell Reddit channel, 27 new questions taged with Haskell in StackOverflow, and 408 messages posted to Haskell-Cafe. So, what was hot last week? Announcements Gregory Crosswhite is pleased to [3]announce the release of a family of packages for type-level natural numbers. He also [4]announced tagged-list, a package which provides fixed-length lists that are tagged with a phantom type-level natural number corresponding to the length. Janis Voigtlander [5]announced that it is time to collect contributions for the 19th edition of the Haskell Communities & Activities Report. The submission deadline is November 1, 2010. Alexander Solla [6]announced his new "Facts" library. The Facts hierarchy is meant to contain commonly used, relatively static facts about the "real world." Kevin Jardine [7]announced polyToMonoid: a library that supplies two very general polyvariadic functions that can map their arguments into any monoid you specify. Simon Hengel [8]announced a new version of DocTest. DocTest now uses Haddock for parsing of comments. Interesting Threads on Haskell-Cafe Michael Snoyman [9]reported that Haskellers.com has become popular a lot falter that he anticipated. Read up on what changes are planned for Haskellers.com. Michael is very interested in some help with running the site. Jacek Generowicz [10]asked how to deal with dynamic dispatch on extensible sets of types. Uwe Schmidt [11]replied to a question about why HXT uses arrows as opposed to using monads. Good comments followed. Jason Dusek [12]asked if there is a way to write a Haskell data structure that is necessarily only one or two or seventeen items long; but that is nonetheless statically guaranteed to be of finite length? Twenty-three messages followed. Simon Thompson [13]annouced the availability of books for review for the Journal of Functonial Programming. Andrew Copping [14]summarized a report produced by Google Szwitzerland on taking a Python system and rewriting bits of it in Haskell, some of which is now in production use. Ben Franksen [15]ranted about the current "Haskell Blurb" on the first paragraph of haskell.org. Quite the read to end the week :) Top Reddit Stories * Using Haskell’s ‘newtype’ in C Domain: blog.nelhage.com Score: 37, Comments: 5 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dptzh/using_haskells_newtype_in_c/ Original: http://blog.nelhage.com/2010/10/using-haskells-newtype-in-c/ * The Haskell theme: consistent visual branding for Haskell Domain: haskell.org Score: 34, Comments: 11 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dqiej/the_haskell_theme_consistent_... Original: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-October/084781.html * Haskellers: Survey results and new site features Domain: haskellers.com Score: 22, Comments: 6 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dr37b/haskellers_survey_results_and... Original: http://www.haskellers.com/news/1/ * My Experience Learning Haskell Domain: blog.virtucal.com Score: 21, Comments: 6 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/drgcz/my_experience_learning_haskel... Original: http://blog.virtucal.com/cyclical/2010/10/14/my-experience-learning-haskell.... * Invertible monads for exception handling and memory allocations Domain: docs.yesodweb.com Score: 21, Comments: 0 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/drkdj/invertible_monads_for_excepti... Original: http://docs.yesodweb.com/blog/invertible-monads-exceptions-allocations/ * Accelerating Haskell Array Codes with Multicore GPUs Domain: justtesting.org Score: 19, Comments: 0 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dq1yo/accelerating_haskell_array_co... Original: http://justtesting.org/accelerating-haskell-array-codes-with-multico * Unicode text performance improvements Domain: serpentine.com Score: 17, Comments: 1 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/drinz/unicode_text_performance_impr... Original: http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2010/10/15/unicode-text-performance-improveme... * Like a coding challenge? Check out Code Quarterly! Domain: serpentine.com Score: 16, Comments: 9 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dpjgv/like_a_coding_challenge_check... Original: http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2010/10/11/like-a-coding-challenge-check-out-... * C9 Lecture: Ralf Lämmel on Monads Domain: channel9.msdn.com Score: 16, Comments: 0 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dq614/c9_lecture_ralf_lämmel_on_monads/ Original: http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/C9-Lectures-Dr-Ralf-Lmmel-AFP-The-... * Take the Haskellers.com survey Domain: spreadsheets.google.com Score: 15, Comments: 3 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dq7xj/take_the_haskellerscom_survey... Original: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG8tcVhBdzRSS1lkdVV6U281emt... Top StackOverflow Questions * When is memoization automatic in GHC Haskell? Question (votes: 14, answers: 3) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3951012/when-is-memoization-automatic-in-... * Why is my code using monadic lists from the List package so slow? Question (votes: 12, answers: 3) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3916444/why-is-my-code-using-monadic-list... * Haskell: lift vs liftIO Question (votes: 8, answers: 2) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3921237/haskell-lift-vs-liftio * Can anyone suggest a good constraint library for Haskell? Question (votes: 8, answers: 2) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3926656/can-anyone-suggest-a-good-constra... * Library function to compose a function with itself n times Question (votes: 6, answers: 4) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3911060/library-function-to-compose-a-fun... * Evaluation of a small math type language that supports one variable Question (votes: 5, answers: 1) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3906231/evaluation-of-a-small-math-type-l... * What's the difference of a “class” in Haskell and in an “abstract class” in OO language? Question (votes: 5, answers: 4) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3938779/whats-the-difference-of-a-class-i... * Haskell and State Question (votes: 5, answers: 4) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3944170/haskell-and-state * Can Haskell guard on abstract data types in a polymorphic function? Question (votes: 5, answers: 3) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3944756/can-haskell-guard-on-abstract-dat... Quotes of the Week * pumpkin: sounds like a lot of work! it's easier for me to just bitch about it * OlegKiselyov: Haskell is inconsistent in yet another way. * monochrom: just add #! /usr/bin/runghc to your haskell file. then type errors occur at runtime only. * IIcke: [haskell] is like wearing a corset, at the beginning is annoying, but then your tits look bigger and the world becomes a better place Contributors to HackageDB Who contributed, and how many uploads did they make? MichaelSnoyman (14), BryanOSullivan (11), GregoryCrosswhite (5), AndyStewart (5), GregoryCollins (4), JosePedroMagalhaes (3), StephenBlackheath (2), SjoerdVisscher (2), PaulTalaga (2), MichaelZuo (2), DanielDiaz (2), ConalElliott (2), AristidBreitkreuz (2), AlexanderSolla (2), YuriyIskra (1), VivianMcPhail (1), TristanSkudlik (1), TonyMorris (1), StephenTetley (1), SimonHengel (1), ReinierLamers (1), OlegBelozeorov (1), NeilMitchell (1), MaxBolingbroke (1), MatthiasBartsch (1), MatthewSottile (1), MasatakeDaimon (1), MarkSnyder (1), ManuelChakravarty (1), LeePike (1), KiYungAhn (1), KevinJardine (1), JustinBailey (1), IlyaPortnov (1), GeoffHulette (1), EugeneKirpichov (1), DonaldStewart (1), DanielSeidel (1), DanielSchoepe (1), CarlHowells (1), BenFranksen (1), ArieMiddelkoop (1), AlexSuraci (1) About the Haskell Weekly News New editions are posted to [16]the Haskell mailing list as well as to [17]the Haskell Sequence and [18]Planet Haskell. [19]RSS is also available, and headlines appear on [20]haskell.org. To help create new editions of this newsletter, please send stories to dstcruz * at * gmail * dot * com. The code used to produce this version of the newsletter is not yet publicly available, as it is a complete hack designed to get things started again. Until next time, Daniel Santa Cruz References 1. http://haskell.org/ 2. http://twitter.com/#!/donsbot/haskellers 3. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/c0071547638... 4. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/ff95d6c78de... 5. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/msg/d9d227b0f38bcf51 6. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/fc86bd03d09... 7. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/4ba5741441d... 8. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/7982f0ad3bc... 9. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/2440a1683fe... 10. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/f0a05dd5b58... 11. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/38185e7ba65... 12. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/7ba4b3b0386... 13. http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/sjt/JFP/available.html 14. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/81707fea2b1... 15. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/a7c7b569dd5... 16. http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell 17. http://sequence.complete.org/ 18. http://planet.haskell.org/ 19. http://sequence.complete.org/node/feed 20. http://haskell.org/

I just noticed that the recent revival of HWN is only being posted to haskell-cafe. I know there are lots of people who no longer subscribe to -cafe because of the amount of traffic, but who remain subscribed to the haskell@haskell.org list to receive announcements only, and who might value HWN as a quick-summary catchup of community news. Can you resume posting HWN there as well please? On 20 Oct 2010, at 23:00, Daniel Santa Cruz wrote:
Welcome to issue 155 of the HWN, a newsletter covering developments in the [1]Haskell community in the week of October 10 - 16.
This time around we again have 87 posts to HackageDB. Instead of posting the individual packages, we get to see and celebrate the 43 people behind these efforts.
Want to keep a close eye on the haskellers that lurk twitter? Don Steward made [2]a twitter list of tweeting haskellers! Let him know if you'd like to be added to the list.
There were a total of 24 new stories posted to the Haskell Reddit channel, 27 new questions taged with Haskell in StackOverflow, and 408 messages posted to Haskell-Cafe.
So, what was hot last week?
Announcements
Gregory Crosswhite is pleased to [3]announce the release of a family of packages for type-level natural numbers. He also [4]announced tagged-list, a package which provides fixed-length lists that are tagged with a phantom type-level natural number corresponding to the length.
Janis Voigtlander [5]announced that it is time to collect contributions for the 19th edition of the Haskell Communities & Activities Report. The submission deadline is November 1, 2010.
Alexander Solla [6]announced his new "Facts" library. The Facts hierarchy is meant to contain commonly used, relatively static facts about the "real world."
Kevin Jardine [7]announced polyToMonoid: a library that supplies two very general polyvariadic functions that can map their arguments into any monoid you specify.
Simon Hengel [8]announced a new version of DocTest. DocTest now uses Haddock for parsing of comments.
Interesting Threads on Haskell-Cafe
Michael Snoyman [9]reported that Haskellers.com has become popular a lot falter that he anticipated. Read up on what changes are planned for Haskellers.com. Michael is very interested in some help with running the site.
Jacek Generowicz [10]asked how to deal with dynamic dispatch on extensible sets of types.
Uwe Schmidt [11]replied to a question about why HXT uses arrows as opposed to using monads. Good comments followed.
Jason Dusek [12]asked if there is a way to write a Haskell data structure that is necessarily only one or two or seventeen items long; but that is nonetheless statically guaranteed to be of finite length? Twenty-three messages followed.
Simon Thompson [13]annouced the availability of books for review for the Journal of Functonial Programming.
Andrew Copping [14]summarized a report produced by Google Szwitzerland on taking a Python system and rewriting bits of it in Haskell, some of which is now in production use.
Ben Franksen [15]ranted about the current "Haskell Blurb" on the first paragraph of haskell.org. Quite the read to end the week :)
Top Reddit Stories
* Using Haskell’s ‘newtype’ in C Domain: blog.nelhage.com Score: 37, Comments: 5 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dptzh/using_haskells_newtype_in_c/ Original: http://blog.nelhage.com/2010/10/using-haskells-newtype-in-c/
* The Haskell theme: consistent visual branding for Haskell Domain: haskell.org Score: 34, Comments: 11 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dqiej/the_haskell_theme_consistent_... Original: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-October/084781.html
* Haskellers: Survey results and new site features Domain: haskellers.com Score: 22, Comments: 6 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dr37b/haskellers_survey_results_and... Original: http://www.haskellers.com/news/1/
* My Experience Learning Haskell Domain: blog.virtucal.com Score: 21, Comments: 6 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/drgcz/my_experience_learning_haskel... Original: http://blog.virtucal.com/cyclical/2010/10/14/my-experience-learning-haskell....
* Invertible monads for exception handling and memory allocations Domain: docs.yesodweb.com Score: 21, Comments: 0 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/drkdj/invertible_monads_for_excepti... Original: http://docs.yesodweb.com/blog/invertible-monads-exceptions-allocations/
* Accelerating Haskell Array Codes with Multicore GPUs Domain: justtesting.org Score: 19, Comments: 0 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dq1yo/accelerating_haskell_array_co... Original: http://justtesting.org/accelerating-haskell-array-codes-with-multico
* Unicode text performance improvements Domain: serpentine.com Score: 17, Comments: 1 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/drinz/unicode_text_performance_impr... Original: http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2010/10/15/unicode-text-performance-improveme...
* Like a coding challenge? Check out Code Quarterly! Domain: serpentine.com Score: 16, Comments: 9 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dpjgv/like_a_coding_challenge_check... Original: http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2010/10/11/like-a-coding-challenge-check-out-...
* C9 Lecture: Ralf Lämmel on Monads Domain: channel9.msdn.com Score: 16, Comments: 0 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dq614/c9_lecture_ralf_lämmel_on_monads/ Original: http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/C9-Lectures-Dr-Ralf-Lmmel-AFP-The-...
* Take the Haskellers.com survey Domain: spreadsheets.google.com Score: 15, Comments: 3 On Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dq7xj/take_the_haskellerscom_survey... Original: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG8tcVhBdzRSS1lkdVV6U281emt...
Top StackOverflow Questions
* When is memoization automatic in GHC Haskell? Question (votes: 14, answers: 3) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3951012/when-is-memoization-automatic-in-...
* Why is my code using monadic lists from the List package so slow? Question (votes: 12, answers: 3) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3916444/why-is-my-code-using-monadic-list...
* Haskell: lift vs liftIO Question (votes: 8, answers: 2) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3921237/haskell-lift-vs-liftio
* Can anyone suggest a good constraint library for Haskell? Question (votes: 8, answers: 2) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3926656/can-anyone-suggest-a-good-constra...
* Library function to compose a function with itself n times Question (votes: 6, answers: 4) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3911060/library-function-to-compose-a-fun...
* Evaluation of a small math type language that supports one variable Question (votes: 5, answers: 1) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3906231/evaluation-of-a-small-math-type-l...
* What's the difference of a “class” in Haskell and in an “abstract class” in OO language? Question (votes: 5, answers: 4) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3938779/whats-the-difference-of-a-class-i...
* Haskell and State Question (votes: 5, answers: 4) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3944170/haskell-and-state
* Can Haskell guard on abstract data types in a polymorphic function? Question (votes: 5, answers: 3) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3944756/can-haskell-guard-on-abstract-dat...
Quotes of the Week
* pumpkin: sounds like a lot of work! it's easier for me to just bitch about it * OlegKiselyov: Haskell is inconsistent in yet another way. * monochrom: just add #! /usr/bin/runghc to your haskell file. then type errors occur at runtime only. * IIcke: [haskell] is like wearing a corset, at the beginning is annoying, but then your tits look bigger and the world becomes a better place
Contributors to HackageDB
Who contributed, and how many uploads did they make?
MichaelSnoyman (14), BryanOSullivan (11), GregoryCrosswhite (5), AndyStewart (5), GregoryCollins (4), JosePedroMagalhaes (3), StephenBlackheath (2), SjoerdVisscher (2), PaulTalaga (2), MichaelZuo (2), DanielDiaz (2), ConalElliott (2), AristidBreitkreuz (2), AlexanderSolla (2), YuriyIskra (1), VivianMcPhail (1), TristanSkudlik (1), TonyMorris (1), StephenTetley (1), SimonHengel (1), ReinierLamers (1), OlegBelozeorov (1), NeilMitchell (1), MaxBolingbroke (1), MatthiasBartsch (1), MatthewSottile (1), MasatakeDaimon (1), MarkSnyder (1), ManuelChakravarty (1), LeePike (1), KiYungAhn (1), KevinJardine (1), JustinBailey (1), IlyaPortnov (1), GeoffHulette (1), EugeneKirpichov (1), DonaldStewart (1), DanielSeidel (1), DanielSchoepe (1), CarlHowells (1), BenFranksen (1), ArieMiddelkoop (1), AlexSuraci (1)
About the Haskell Weekly News
New editions are posted to [16]the Haskell mailing list as well as to [17]the Haskell Sequence and [18]Planet Haskell. [19]RSS is also available, and headlines appear on [20]haskell.org.
To help create new editions of this newsletter, please send stories to dstcruz * at * gmail * dot * com. The code used to produce this version of the newsletter is not yet publicly available, as it is a complete hack designed to get things started again.
Until next time, Daniel Santa Cruz
References
1. http://haskell.org/ 2. http://twitter.com/#!/donsbot/haskellers 3. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/c0071547638... 4. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/ff95d6c78de... 5. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/msg/d9d227b0f38bcf51 6. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/fc86bd03d09... 7. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/4ba5741441d... 8. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/7982f0ad3bc... 9. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/2440a1683fe... 10. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/f0a05dd5b58... 11. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/38185e7ba65... 12. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/7ba4b3b0386... 13. http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/sjt/JFP/available.html 14. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/81707fea2b1... 15. http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-cafe/browse_thread/thread/a7c7b569dd5... 16. http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell 17. http://sequence.complete.org/ 18. http://planet.haskell.org/ 19. http://sequence.complete.org/node/feed 20. http://haskell.org/ _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Malcolm Wallace
might value HWN as a quick-summary catchup of community news. Can you resume posting HWN there as well please?
s/as well/instead/g I'm always getting two copies of everything in haskell@, since everything is cross-posted to -cafe. Are there actually people subscribed to -cafe, but *not* to haskell@? And if so, why? -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants

On Thursday 21 October 2010 11:38:37, Ketil Malde wrote:
I'm always getting two copies of everything in haskell@, since everything is cross-posted to -cafe. Are there actually people subscribed to -cafe, but *not* to haskell@? And if so, why?
I have long been subscribed to -cafe but not to haskell@. Regarding why, I wasn't interested in what haskell@ was supposed to be for, while I was interested in what -cafe is for. I agree it's a little annoying to get two copies of everything cross-posted (sometimes three if libraries@ is also involved), but I'd be very cautious about removing -cafe from the recipients. Cheers, Daniel

Daniel Fischer
I have long been subscribed to -cafe but not to haskell@. Regarding why, I wasn't interested in what haskell@ was supposed to be for, while I was interested in what -cafe is for.
The Wiki documents these lists as: haskell@haskell.org Announcements, discussion openers, technical questions. haskell@haskell.org is intended to be a low-bandwidth list, to which it is safe to subscribe without risking being buried in email. If a thread becomes longer than a handful of messages, please transfer to haskell-cafe@haskell.org. haskell-cafe@haskell.org (archives) General Haskell questions; extended discussions. In Simon Peyton Jones' words: "forum in which it's acceptable to ask anything, no matter how naive, and get polite replies." I'm not sure I understand your sentiment - if you wish to avoid announcements or the initial bits of discussions, surely you would be in favor of not cross-posting them? A quick (and probably highly inaccurate) count in my inbox tells me that a little over 700 of about 1200 mails to haskell@ were crossposted to -cafe, and the latter has received 21000 messages in the same time frame. Could we not accept the 2.5% increase in traffic that the remaining 500 messages would mean, and get rid of the cross-postings? -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants

Hi, On 21.10.2010, at 11:38, Ketil Malde wrote:
Malcolm Wallace
writes: might value HWN as a quick-summary catchup of community news. Can you resume posting HWN there as well please?
s/as well/instead/g +1
I'm always getting two copies of everything in haskell@, since everything is cross-posted to -cafe. Are there actually people subscribed to -cafe, but *not* to haskell@? And if so, why?
Over the last year the volume of traffic in haskell-cafe has increased so much, that I am often not able to follow everything. Which means there are often hundreds of emails in my haskell-cafe folder marked as new. Having announcements separated or in haskell@ would be IMHO a real improvement. If every announcement or periodic status update (as e.g. HWN) is cross posted then there is no need for having two separate mailinglist. And I'd assume there is no majority in favor of merging those two mailinglist. -- Jean

On 10/21/10 5:38 AM, Ketil Malde wrote:
I'm always getting two copies of everything in haskell@, since everything is cross-posted to -cafe. Are there actually people subscribed to -cafe, but *not* to haskell@? And if so, why?
I am. In part because I don't want to get two copies of everything, but in part because I'm lazy. So adding another list to my reading queue, especially one that's specified as sort of being a subset of the content here, seems like it'd be too much. Usually communities in this situation will have the subset list set up to automatically forward everything to the main list as well, in order to alleviate these sorts of things. Did I mention the lazy? :) -- Live well, ~wren

On 10/22/2010 09:37 AM, wren ng thornton wrote:
On 10/21/10 5:38 AM, Ketil Malde wrote:
I'm always getting two copies of everything in haskell@, since everything is cross-posted to -cafe. Are there actually people subscribed to -cafe, but *not* to haskell@? And if so, why?
I am. In part because I don't want to get two copies of everything, but in part because I'm lazy.
This is my case too. As for as the amount of messages, who cares. Get it through NNTP. You will download only the headers. Bodies will be downloaded only for messages you read. You can check only the threads you consider interesting. There is not much new threads. "Mark newsgroup read" is a quick operation. I do not think HWN should not be posted to haskell-cafe. If you decide so I do not really care but post a message to haskell-cafe list that you are switching HWN to haskell list only (so I can subscribe there too). Peter.

Peter Hercek
I am. In part because I don't want to get two copies of everything, but in part because I'm lazy.
This is my case too. As for as the amount of messages, who cares.
Right. So the question is, what is (or should be) the contents of the messages that are posted only to haskell@, but *not* crossposted to café? Because I think this set of messages is (or should be) empty, which suggests that we 1) remove the people subscribed to haskell-cafe@ from haskell@ 2) automatically post all messages to haskell@ to -cafe as well 3) post announcements to haskell@ without any crossposting. This way, most people will subscribe to -cafe and get a single copy of each message, not miss out on any important stuff, and as an added benefit discussion will mostly go to that list. People who only want low-bandwith subscription to announcements, HWN, and the like, may subscribe to haskell@ only. -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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