Hi. It was my understanding that Herbert would be the chair when I asked to be on the committee, and the fact that this question was already answer was a factor in my decision to try to help. Being the committee chair is less a position of power, and more a position of responsibility. I think we can be very happy to have someone who is willing to do the job, and I absolutely trust hvr to be up to the task. If needed, we can revisit the question over time when we have a better idea how our usual workflow and processes look like, but I don't think we need to or should have this discussion now. Cheers, Andres On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel wrote:

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On 2016-04-29 at 15:17:43 +0200, Richard Eisenberg wrote:

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Is there a chair of this committee? Herbert has been acting as such (thank you!) but doesn't list himself as the chair in the initial announcement.

I am **in no way** trying to change any status quo and am **not** interested in being chair at the moment, but I just wanted to clarify.

Fwiw, I mentioned in the preceding CfN (https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-prime/2015-September/003936.html) that

| In consultation with the current members of the Haskell Prime | committee (and Simon PJ), I have volunteered as chair to "reboot" the | process and get things rolling again.

But you're right I failed to repeat this in the actual announcement.

However, I don't want to impose myself on the committee as chair. So if anyone else feels motivated enough to pick up the role as chair with the agreement of the committee I'll happily hand over the chair position! :-)

Moreover, this doesn't need to be a static configuration: We could also rotate the chair position (and other duties) over the lifetime of the Haskell 2020 committee. There just needs to be one designated chair at any time to keep things moving.

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The specific reason I ask is that Takenobu Tani recently asked about `pseq`. I have no intelligent response to offer, but would want to make sure that someone does offer a response. If there is a chair, that person is de facto responsible that we, as a committee, communicate well, both internally and externally.

You're definitely right. And IMO the chair only needs to step in if nobody else feels compelled to respond within a reasonable time, e.g. a few days -- after all, we all have other duties besides the prime committee :-)

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On Saturday, April 30, 2016, Henrik Nilsson wrote:

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It was my understanding that Herbert would be the chair when I asked to be on the committee, and the fact that this question was already answer was a factor in my decision to try to help.

I agree completely with this.

I as well, Herbert chairing was a big part of why I thought participating would be a productive and worthwhile experience that would accomplish its stated goals.

And thanks to Herbert for now having completed the first step of the reboot.

Best,

/Henrik

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 4:03 PM, John Wiegley wrote:

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Henrik Nilsson writes:

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It was my understanding that Herbert would be the chair when I asked to be on the committee, and the fact that this question was already answer was a factor in my decision to try to help.

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I agree completely with this.

I also agree, and offer my thanks to Herbert for being willing to take up this role from the beginning.

Same here.

Excellent. I'm very happy with how this thread has gone. :) (I didn't mean to imply, by the way, that we were slow to answer the `pseq` question. It's just that as I was about to move the email out of my inbox, I realized that we might all do so, and that would be bad. Yes, a few days' time is quite reasonable before anyone has to step in.) Richard On Apr 30, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Austin Seipp wrote:

Yes, I'm essentially on-board thanks to Herbert, who I know tends to get shit done, and do it well.

Sorry Herbert - I think you're going to be unanimously voted in this time, whatever exact details we sort out (like rotating committee chairs). Perhaps we should let you think about those details and advise us on them. :)

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It was my understanding that Herbert would be the chair when I asked to be on the committee, and the fact that this question was already answer was a factor in my decision to try to help.

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I agree completely with this.

I also agree, and offer my thanks to Herbert for being willing to take up this role from the beginning.

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| It was my understanding that Herbert would be the chair when I asked to | be on the committee, and the fact that this question was already answer | was a factor in my decision to try to help. Being the committee chair | is less a position of power, and more a position of responsibility. I | think we can be very happy to have someone who is willing to do the | job, and I absolutely trust hvr to be up to the task. Andres says this well. Being chair is a facilitating role, helping discussions make progress, and gently pressing them forward to a conclusion. I'm very grateful to Herbert for taking it on -- thank you! Simon | -----Original Message----- | From: Haskell-prime [mailto:haskell-prime-bounces@haskell.org] On | Behalf Of Andres Löh | Sent: 30 April 2016 09:39 | To: Herbert Valerio Riedel | Cc: haskell-prime@haskell.org | Subject: Re: Chairship / responsibility | | Hi. | | It was my understanding that Herbert would be the chair when I asked to | be on the committee, and the fact that this question was already answer | was a factor in my decision to try to help. Being the committee chair | is less a position of power, and more a position of responsibility. I | think we can be very happy to have someone who is willing to do the | job, and I absolutely trust hvr to be up to the task. | | If needed, we can revisit the question over time when we have a better | idea how our usual workflow and processes look like, but I don't think | we need to or should have this discussion now. | | Cheers, | Andres |