Haskell Weekly News: March 13, 2006
Haskell Weekly News: March 13, 2006 Greetings, and thanks for reading issue 28 of HWN, a weekly newsletter covering developments in the Haskell community. Each Monday, new editions are posted to [1]the Haskell mailing list and to [2]The Haskell Sequence. [3]RSS is also available. 1. http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell 2. http://sequence.complete.org/ 3. http://sequence.complete.org/node/feed Announcements * Alternative to Text.Regex. Chris Kuklewicz [4]announced an alternative to Text.Regex. While working on the [5]language shootout, Chris implemented a new efficient regex engine, using parsec. It contructs a parser from a string representation of a regular expression. 4. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/11825 5. http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all * pass.net. S. Alexander Jacobson [6]launched Pass.net. Written in Haskell, using HAppS, Pass.net lets websites replace registration, confirmation mails, and multiple passwords with a single login, authenticating via their email domain. 6. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/11824 Haskell' This section covers activity on [7]Haskell'. * [8]Partial application syntax * [9]Extending the `...` notation * [10]The dreaded offside rule * [11]Strictness standardization 7. http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime 8. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.prime/874 9. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.prime/881 10. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.prime/883 11. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.prime/901 Discussion * Non-trivial markup transformations. Further on last week's article on encoding markup in Haskell, Oleg Kiselyov [12]demonstrates non-trivial transformations of marked-up data, markup transformations by successive rewriting (aka, `higher-order tags') and the easy definition of new tags. 12. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.general/13393 * Popular libraries and tools. John Hughes [13]posted (and [14]here) some interesting figures on the most important libraries and tools, based on the results of his survey of users earlier this year. 13. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/11829 14. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/11875 * haskell-prime fun. Just for fun, Ross Paterson [15]posted, some thought-provoking [16]statistics on haskell-prime traffic. 15. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/11831 16. http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~ross/haskell-prime-stats/ * New collections package. Jean-Philippe Bernardy [17]hinted that his new collections package is almost done. 17. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cvs.ghc/13880 * Is notMember not member? John Meacham [18]sparked a bit of a discussion on whether negated boolean functions are useful with a patch adding Data.Set and Data.Map.notMember. 18. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.libraries/4411 * Namespace games. In a similar vein, Don Stewart [19]triggered discussion on how to sort the hierarchical namespace, when proposing alternatives to the longish Text.ParserCombinators module name. 19. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.libraries/4383 Darcs Corner * Darcs-server. Unsatisified with the current techniques for centralised development with darcs, Daan Leijen went ahead and [20]wrote darcs-server. With darcs-server you can: + push changes remotely via a CGI script + or push changes via a single SSH account that serves many users + use cryptographic verification and authorization of users for reading and writing + use gpg encryption (for CGI) + use non-public repositories that can only be accessed by authorized users. 20. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.darcs.user/9686 * darcsweb 0.15, by Alberto Bertogli, has been [21]released. 21. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.darcs.user/9664 Contributing to HWN You can help us create new editions of this newsletter. Please see the [22]contributing information, send stories to dons -at- cse.unsw.edu.au. The darcs repository is available at darcs get http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn 22. http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/HWN
On 3/13/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
Haskell Weekly News: March 13, 2006
Greetings, and thanks for reading issue 28 of HWN, a weekly newsletter covering developments in the Haskell community. Each Monday, new editions are posted to [1]the Haskell mailing list and to [2]The Haskell Sequence. [3]RSS is also available.
May I just make a request (I do it on the list so that anyone who doesn't agree can speak up): Put the HWN in the haskell.org website (in the news section). It probably should be trimmed down to the more generally interesting things (such as library announcements). A lot of people wouldn't subscribe to a mailing list for a language, but could benefit from these news. Also, it lets a casual visitor know that the Haskell community is active (if they see a bunch of news post dated a few days ago). /S -- Sebastian Sylvan +46(0)736-818655 UIN: 44640862
sebastian.sylvan:
On 3/13/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
Haskell Weekly News: March 13, 2006
Greetings, and thanks for reading issue 28 of HWN, a weekly newsletter covering developments in the Haskell community. Each Monday, new editions are posted to [1]the Haskell mailing list and to [2]The Haskell Sequence. [3]RSS is also available.
May I just make a request (I do it on the list so that anyone who doesn't agree can speak up): Put the HWN in the haskell.org website (in the news section). It probably should be trimmed down to the more generally interesting things (such as library announcements).
A lot of people wouldn't subscribe to a mailing list for a language, but could benefit from these news. Also, it lets a casual visitor know that the Haskell community is active (if they see a bunch of news post dated a few days ago).
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html These should serve as a basis for the content, I think. Now, how would people like these added? 2 or 3 a week will quickly push some things further down. Any opinions on the format? -- Don
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think. John
rjmh:
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think.
Done! haskell.org now takes a feed of all hwn headlines. :) Cheers, Don
The dates on the feed are in international (non-US) order, i.e. Mar 13 2006 = 13/03/2006. Is there a way to make this unambiguous by changing the month to a word instead of a number? Just curious... Jared. On 3/16/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
rjmh:
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think.
Done! haskell.org now takes a feed of all hwn headlines.
:)
Cheers, Don _______________________________________________ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
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Well, there is a way -- it's fairly easy with the right regex -- but is it really ambiguous? Do people find it confusing? What do other sites do? -- Don jupdike:
The dates on the feed are in international (non-US) order, i.e. Mar 13 2006 = 13/03/2006. Is there a way to make this unambiguous by changing the month to a word instead of a number? Just curious...
Jared.
On 3/16/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
rjmh:
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think.
Done! haskell.org now takes a feed of all hwn headlines.
:)
Cheers, Don _______________________________________________ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
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On 2006-03-17 at 06:58GMT Aaron Denney wrote:
On 2006-03-17, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
Well, there is a way -- it's fairly easy with the right regex -- but is it really ambiguous? Do people find it confusing? What do other sites do?
Why not the ISO standard YYYY-MM-DD?
Surely. This is, after all, an international effort. I can't see why people don't just use this format in general, nowadays. Certainly it makes sense to use it in any context where the nationality of the reader is unknown. Jón -- Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn at cl.cam.ac.uk
Donald Bruce Stewart wrote:
Well, there is a way -- it's fairly easy with the right regex -- but is it really ambiguous? Do people find it confusing? What do other sites do?
Yes, it's annoying (it isn't ambigous right now, but it will be again early next month). Either use an inherently unambiguous format (anything that writes out or abbreviates the month, instead of using digits), or use the international standard YYYY-MM-DD (which is unambiguous by ISO fiat).
antti-juhani:
Donald Bruce Stewart wrote:
Well, there is a way -- it's fairly easy with the right regex -- but is it really ambiguous? Do people find it confusing? What do other sites do?
Yes, it's annoying (it isn't ambigous right now, but it will be again early next month). Either use an inherently unambiguous format (anything that writes out or abbreviates the month, instead of using digits), or use the international standard YYYY-MM-DD (which is unambiguous by ISO fiat).
Ok, I'll switch it to YYYY-MM-DD :) -- Don
Donald Bruce Stewart wrote:
antti-juhani:
Yes, it's annoying (it isn't ambigous right now, but it will be again early next month). Either use an inherently unambiguous format (anything that writes out or abbreviates the month, instead of using digits), or use the international standard YYYY-MM-DD (which is unambiguous by ISO fiat).
Ok, I'll switch it to YYYY-MM-DD :)
It's now YYYY/MM/DD, and that's not the international standard format, the international standard format has dashes insteaad of soliduses.
2006/3/18, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <antti-juhani@kaijanaho.info>:
Donald Bruce Stewart wrote:
antti-juhani:
Yes, it's annoying (it isn't ambigous right now, but it will be again early next month). Either use an inherently unambiguous format (anything that writes out or abbreviates the month, instead of using digits), or use the international standard YYYY-MM-DD (which is unambiguous by ISO fiat).
Ok, I'll switch it to YYYY-MM-DD :)
It's now YYYY/MM/DD, and that's not the international standard format, the international standard format has dashes insteaad of soliduses.
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hi, i might look a bit annoying but it's not clear at first glance if each date belongs to the text above or under the date ... but definitely, haskell.org looks active ! bye, mt
On 3/17/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
rjmh:
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think.
Done! haskell.org now takes a feed of all hwn headlines.
:)
Great! Just one question though, do we really need two news-sections? I originally meant replacing the current "news" with a HWN feed (since the former is so rarely updated anyway), not adding another feed. What do the rest of you think? /S -- Sebastian Sylvan +46(0)736-818655 UIN: 44640862
sebastian.sylvan:
On 3/17/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
rjmh:
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think.
Done! haskell.org now takes a feed of all hwn headlines.
:)
Great! Just one question though, do we really need two news-sections? I originally meant replacing the current "news" with a HWN feed (since the former is so rarely updated anyway), not adding another feed. What do the rest of you think?
Well, I just didn't want to wipe the 'important' news items. Not quite sure what to do here. -- Don
On 3/17/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
sebastian.sylvan:
On 3/17/06, Donald Bruce Stewart <dons@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
rjmh:
With a view to this I started collecting just the announcements on a `feed' here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/hwn/announce.html
These should serve as a basis for the content, I think.
Can you add an actual date? Seeing things dated a few days ago does contribute to a feeling of great activity, I think.
Done! haskell.org now takes a feed of all hwn headlines.
:)
Great! Just one question though, do we really need two news-sections? I originally meant replacing the current "news" with a HWN feed (since the former is so rarely updated anyway), not adding another feed. What do the rest of you think?
Well, I just didn't want to wipe the 'important' news items. Not quite sure what to do here.
-- Don
The ICFP boasting could be moved elsewhere (perhaps put the quote at the very top under the logo), the rest of the items seem "regular" enough to be popped off the news list just like any other HWN-type news. The only regularly occuring news that really need to stick around for longer are events announcements, IMO, and we already have a separate feed for that right on the front page as well. So, I think the best plan is to have the HWN stuff under "news" from now on, keep the events feed, and put any other "important" news in a case-by-case appropriate place (e.g. putting the "discriminate hackers" quote somewhere on the front page). /S -- Sebastian Sylvan +46(0)736-818655 UIN: 44640862
sebastian.sylvan:
The ICFP boasting could be moved elsewhere (perhaps put the quote at the very top under the logo), the rest of the items seem "regular" enough to be popped off the news list just like any other HWN-type news. The only regularly occuring news that really need to stick around for longer are events announcements, IMO, and we already have a separate feed for that right on the front page as well.
So, I think the best plan is to have the HWN stuff under "news" from now on, keep the events feed, and put any other "important" news in a case-by-case appropriate place (e.g. putting the "discriminate hackers" quote somewhere on the front page).
Ok. Done! It looks much nicer, I agree. So, the frontpage now has recent news, with our icfp prize at the top. Then if you go to 'Old news' you get hwn news back to 2005, and then the haskell.org news going back to 2001. I merged the frontpage haskell.org news into the 2005 news. Opinions? -- Don
So, the frontpage now has recent news, with our icfp prize at the top. Opinions?
do I understand correctly that the top items under "News" will be updated manually and less frequently, to hold items that are deemed more important, or more permanent, than the usual headline. and the rest of it is now an automatic feed? good in general, and thanks for making the change, but: please put the Haskell-prime effort back into the into the permanent top of the "News" section (does noone care about the language this is all about??). when the time comes around for the next communities report, it would also go in there again, for at least a month before and after release, but for now, it is fine in the "Community" section. since the feed covers announcements, and not all of those end up with a link on haskell.org otherwise, that pointer to the feed archive from the libraries and tools section is likely to be very helpful. cheers, claus
claus.reinke:
So, the frontpage now has recent news, with our icfp prize at the top. Opinions?
do I understand correctly that the top items under "News" will be updated manually and less frequently, to hold items that are deemed more important, or more permanent, than the usual headline. and the rest of it is now an automatic feed?
Yes. That's the idea. All the old news, and the entire HWN announcments archive, is now available in the Old_news page. New items get added each week, when the HWN comes out, pushing the oldest items back on to the Old_news page.
good in general, and thanks for making the change, but:
please put the Haskell-prime effort back into the into the permanent top of the "News" section (does noone care about the language this is all about??). when the time comes around for the next communities report, it would also go in there again, for at least a month before and after release, but for now, it is fine in the "Community" section.
Ok. Done.
since the feed covers announcements, and not all of those end up with a link on haskell.org otherwise, that pointer to the feed archive from the libraries and tools section is likely to be very helpful.
I don't understand what you are suggesting here. Can you elaborate? -- Don
please put the Haskell-prime effort back into the into the permanent top of the "News" section (does noone care about the language this Ok. Done.
thanks
since the feed covers announcements, and not all of those end up with a link on haskell.org otherwise, that pointer to the feed archive from the libraries and tools section is likely to be very helpful.
I don't understand what you are suggesting here. Can you elaborate?
no suggestion. just appreciation!-) I do not usually find whatever I am looking for in the libraries and tools section, but now that the section has a link to the HWN announcements archive, there is an increased chance of finding things. and I wanted to point out that little addition for those like me who had not noticed it before. cheers, claus
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Sebastian Sylvan