Application letters at the Haskell workshop: suggestion
A thought to dicscuss for next year's Haskell workshop. This is the second year running that there have been no submissions accepted in the `application letters' category for the Haskell workshop. It seems that this comes from the fact that these are not getting the same grades as submissions focussed on more theoretical aspects of Haskell and functional programming. That's a shame, since it means that information of value to many users of the language are not going into the public record. A suggestion: why not have a poster session at the next workshop? This is used at many conferences for shorter papers, work in progress, implementation aspects and the like. The advantage of this over ten minute, ad hoc, talks is that the posters (or poster abstracts) form part of the formal proceedings and are thus available to the community for reference. This is, of course, particularly valuable in the case of applications, when it's useful to find out what one can re-use, as well as seeing what might be problematic about existing tools and libraries. How would a poster session work? People submit abstracts, and then bring posters (plus laptops for demos etc. if they wish) to the meeting. These are displayed over tea/coffee breaks, or indeed a separate time could be devoted to them. I'd be interested to hear what others think; maybe there's a better way of getting the application-oriented material into the workshop? Simon Thompson
... there have been no submissions accepted in the `application letters' category for the Haskell workshop.
that seems strange indeed. two reasons come to mind: a) there ARE no proper real world applications of Haskell (only a rather large number of so called pearls) b) these things do exist, but their programmers don't have the time/energy/whatever to write a proper paper about them (for a "real world" conference - that is, a theory conference :-) if a) then it is bad for Haskell as a whole, if b) then a lot of work remains unpublished, and thus gets lost (or repeated) (my view sure is biased since I somehow belong to category b) above - my main job is to do research and teaching, not programming and documenting) -- -- Johannes Waldmann ---- http://www.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~joe/ -- -- joe@informatik.uni-leipzig.de -- phone/fax (+49) 341 9732 204/252 --
Johannes Waldmann <joe@isun.informatik.uni-leipzig.de> writes:
... there have been no submissions accepted in the `application letters' category for the Haskell workshop.
Really?
a) there ARE no proper real world applications of Haskell (only a rather large number of so called pearls)
b) these things do exist, but their programmers don't have the time/energy/whatever to write a proper paper about them (for a "real world" conference - that is, a theory conference :-)
c) "Real World"(tm) applications originate, almost by definition, outside of the academic community. When the applications (programs that is) and submissions are held to academic standards by the (academic) referees, they aren't seen as interesting or conforming enough. Just a theory, anyhow.
if a) then it is bad for Haskell as a whole,
There were submissions, I know about at least one that got rejected. :-) Among the criticisms were that the implementation didn't really use (or rely on) any Haskell specific functionality. I'm not convinced requiring applications to teach us "anything new about Haskell" (in the words of one referee) is a good criterion for application letters - after all, that's what academia is for. It all depends on *why* you want applciation letters. The fact that none gets accepted could be an indication that the rationale (and subsequently the criterions for acceptance) should be reviewed. -kzm -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:04:06AM +0100, S.J.Thompson@ukc.ac.uk wrote:
A thought to dicscuss for next year's Haskell workshop. This is the second year running that there have been no submissions accepted in the `application letters' category for the Haskell workshop.
A minor point: last year it was ICFP, not the Haskell workshop, that advertised an application letters category.
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