Re: Burning bridges

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:18 AM, John Wiegley wrote:

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Casey McCann writes:

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Beyond that, the argument that having redundant, less-polymorphic versions of standard combinators is helping beginners has not become any less ridiculous since the first time I heard it.

As I sit here in agreement with Edward, and comments like Casey's above, I begin to wonder: does the assumed minority who opposes such changes even exist anymore? Is there a chance we've fallen into the trap of assuming that they exist, and so shying away from formally proposing changes like this one?

The proposal should continue to come up until there are no objections. In all seriousness, there's a hydra of threads about a bunch of quasi-related issues, and much debate has happened since the last time I saw a vote tally. There's a lot of confusion, and doubtless some people have chosen to stay out completely. I suggest that we start a poll for a single, concrete proposal. If the poll forum is by email or similar, I further suggest that replies be limited strictly to +1/-1. Debate can continue in one of the other threads if necessary, but this will make it very easy to see exactly where the community stands. John L.