On 13.11.12 11:13 PM, Jean-Philippe Bernardy wrote:
Blacklisting equals releasing a bugfix.
Not quite.
Using version number conventions, identifying such a release should be easy.
If there exists a bugfix release for a package currently in use, then cabal should emit a warning.
Warnings are easily overlooked. In a typical cabal install session I see tons of irrelevant warnings floating by.
On Nov 13, 2012 6:12 PM, "Andreas Abel" <andreas.abel@ifi.lmu.de <mailto:andreas.abel@ifi.lmu.de>> wrote:
On 13.11.2012 17:39, Dan Burton wrote:
Mixed feelings here. I personally subscribe to the philosophy of "do one thing and do it well"; perhaps this sort of functionality would be better delegated to a new "curation" tool such as the one described in Michael Snoyman's recent blog post. http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/__2012/11/solving-cabal-hell <http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/11/solving-cabal-hell>
I think Michael Snoyman's approach goes farther than mine and solves a slightly different problem. I am not concerned with the "dependency hell" but with a means of safely avoiding bugged packages.
Uploading a bugged package can happen to anyone of us, but cabal/hackage does not provide a suitable means to rectify the situation. Cabal's philosophy currently includes a monotonicity assumption: newer is better and more correct. As a consequence, packages do not get removed or replaced since that could break compilation of other packages depending on a special version number of a package. The calamity is that bugged package live on, and cabal install is oblivious of this.
If one could blacklist a certain version of a package, cabal could pick the next higher available version, as a sort of redirection mechanism to the fixed package. For instance, if I have issued
mylib-2.1 mylib-2.2 mylib-3.0
and I discover a bug in mylib-2.1, I could blacklist mylib-2.1 and upload a bugfix version
mylib-2.1.1
that would be picked by cabal instead of mylib-2.1.
Those user packages that rely on the specific interface of mylib-2.1 (e.g. having a constraint mylib == 2.1) and do not work with mylib-2.2 would still work, since they would be built with mylib-2.1.1
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Andreas Abel <andreas.abel@ifi.lmu.de <mailto:andreas.abel@ifi.lmu.de> <mailto:andreas.abel@ifi.lmu.__de <mailto:andreas.abel@ifi.lmu.de>>> wrote:
After 2 days of shrinking 251 modules of source code to a few lines I realized that modify in MonadState causes <<loop>> in mtl-2.1.
http://hackage.haskell.org/____packages/archive/mtl/2.1/doc/____html/src/Con... <http://hackage.haskell.org/__packages/archive/mtl/2.1/doc/__html/src/Control-Monad-State-__Class.html#modify>
<http://hackage.haskell.org/__packages/archive/mtl/2.1/doc/__html/src/Control... <http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/mtl/2.1/doc/html/src/Control-Monad-State-Class.html#modify>>
The bug has been fixed, apparently seven month ago.
https://github.com/ekmett/mtl/____pull/1 <https://github.com/ekmett/mtl/__pull/1> <https://github.com/ekmett/__mtl/pull/1 <https://github.com/ekmett/mtl/pull/1>>
However, the "malicious" mtl-2.1 still lingers on: it is available from hackage and installed in many systems.
This calls for a means of blacklisting broken or malicious packages.
cabal update
should also pull a blacklist of packages that will never be selected by cabal install (except maybe by explicit user safety overriding).
I think such a mechanism is not only necessary for security purposes, but also to safe the valuable resources of our community.
Cheers, Andreas
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