Sven, I certainly agree with you about new things and using it because it is new or fancy. I am working on a contract that is using Clearcase now, and they have made something simple into something incredibly complex. This choice was dictated by the customer (which is always a bad thing); the customer then proceeded to pay for an inadequate number of licenses. I caught one of the people in my department with a clandestine CVS installation (really, I'm not making this up). I had to make him disassemble it (which I'm also not making up). The real question for something like Haskell, though, is this: is the number of cases where CVS/subversion is inadequate significant enough to devote time to supporting alternatives. I'm not convinced that the answer is yes, but I'm willing to listen to anyone who can make a case for it. Seth Sven Panne wrote:
seth@aedion.de wrote:
The reason (I believe) that you tend to get such a wide range of opinions in this area is that there is not a single common set of needs. [...]
Very true. I'm not against anything new when it really solves a problem, but I'm strictly against something simply *because* it's new. People (including me :-) have a tendency to play around with new things, which is undoubtedly good to improve one's personal knowledge, but is quite bad when it comes to a production environment. I've seen quite a few baroque VC and build systems in companies which no one could understand as whole, because so many tools were involved when plain old CVS/make plus a little bit of sh could have done the jobs easily. So what I'm proposing is: "Keep it simple." And CVS *is* simple, we all use it daily...
What I'd like to hear is the set of needs we have, and if we really agree on them. For my part, I'm quite happy with the development models supported by CVS/Subversion, but there are surely other opinions. After we've reached a conclusion on our needs and goals, we should look for a technical solution, not the other way round.
Cheers, S.
P.S. to Seth: Interesting domain in your email address, but I really can't remember having you as an employee... :-)
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