I hope we can learn a lesson here that we need a clear specification to point people to when there are major changes. I pointed this out when the reddit discussion came up and everyone agreed it should be done, but I don't think it was ever done. Perhaps we can be stringent on maintaining such a policy in the future. I always thought that generalizing Data.List was a mistake, but I figured it was too late in the process to change it and I didn't understand the motivation. Code examples for this would be something to put in the specification. On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Augustsson, Lennart < Lennart.Augustsson@sc.com> wrote:
A lot of people might have opinions about what is good for beginners, but the only opinions that matter are from those who have actually taught a large number of beginners. I'm not one of them, so I'll keep my beginner opinions to myself.
-----Original Message----- From: Libraries [mailto:libraries-bounces@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Neil Mitchell Sent: 27 January 2015 17:44 To: Richard Eisenberg Cc: cvs-libraries@haskell.org Subject: Re: Drastic Prelude changes imminent
now instead of 2¢. (My chief concern is how it affects newcomers to Haskell, which is admittedly a different concern than others have expressed. It may be worth noting that my concern was addressed by suggesting newcomers use the `haskell2010` package... which is now defunct, due to fallout from the AMP.)
The haskell2010 package has always been unusable. Initially haskell98 reexposed a subset of base, and they worked together. Then some of the modules were cloned and tweaked, and any time I put them in the same package it all went terribly wrong.
I also have concerns about beginners, but it's clear everyone has radically different opinions about what is good or bad for beginners.
I raised my concerns as soon as I found out about the changes (October 2014), argued my case, made a few blog posts, but seemingly lost. At that point, much like Simon Marlow, I decided to live with it. I have a feeling we might rehash the same discussion every time a new larger set of people find out about the changes, especially as those people are less likely to be connected to the cutting edge of libraries development.
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