Now, the external core feature of ghc is great, but it is not utilized very much. The main reason I think is that there is a large barrier to entry in writing something that uses it since you need to parse/generate it. It would be nice if there were a standard library that came with ghc (or cabalized and portable even better) that could parse and pretty print external core. ideally, one could write a simple pass-through core processor that interacts with ghc in a single line and someone working on a new optimization need only worry about that. Also, it would make it very easy for jhc to generate and parse ghc core files (always an ulterior motive). I wanted to use jhcs front end to generate ghc core so I could get a true measure of the difference in just their back-end performance without taking into account ghc's superior high-level optimizations. In any case. I think all the code is out there in ghc and it just needs to be separated and cabalized. I know there was talk of creating a ghc internals library, but it would be nice if this code were portable and independent. John -- John Meacham - ⑆repetae.net⑆john⑈