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Bryan O'Sullivan

15 Feb 2013 15 Feb '13

7:24 p.m.

You can now find it here: https://github.com/haskell/bytestring Ian, please update your GHC juju accordingly.

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Jeremy Shaw

15 Feb 15 Feb

8:01 p.m.

I'll light a candle in honor of another fallen darcs repo :( On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote:

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You can now find it here: https://github.com/haskell/bytestring

Ian, please update your GHC juju accordingly.

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If we invest more heavily in hub.darcs.net then perhaps we wouldn't have to defect to github. Sadly, it will take a lot of effort to bring darcs hub up to match github standards. -- Dan Burton On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

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I'll light a candle in honor of another fallen darcs repo :(

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote:

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You can now find it here: https://github.com/haskell/bytestring

Ian, please update your GHC juju accordingly.

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Jeremy Shaw

8:32 p.m.

I've moved pretty much all my code (mostly Happstack related) to hub.darcs.net. Before hub.darcs.net was launched, I was looking to implement a lot of the features it provides via plugins to clckwrks (http://www.clckwrks.com). Now that we have hub.darcs.net.. that is much less of a priority. I do wonder what features are actually most important for making github users happy. Obviously, the online interface for fork/pull requests is a huge appeal. hub.darcs.net has some support for that.. but could do better. Organizations also seem valuable -- not sure what hubs current support there is... I have wondered if there is someway we could use the github API to make things better: http://developer.github.com/v3/ For example, when you create a darcs hub account, maybe it could try to pull account information from github? Not really sure... I think the biggest 'killer' feature would be if hub.darcs.net could be extended so that you could create a project on hub.darcs.net, but also have an mirror on github via darcs bridge. Unfortunately, darcs bridge is still not up to snuff AFAIK. I would love to see darcs bridge as a GSoC project -- provided a qualified student was chosen. Using the github API, bugs logged in githubs tracker could perhaps still be shown in hub.darcs.nets tracker. The idea is to allow project maintainers to continue using darcs while giving the github junkies an easy way to stay involved. - jeremy On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Dan Burton wrote:

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If we invest more heavily in hub.darcs.net then perhaps we wouldn't have to defect to github. Sadly, it will take a lot of effort to bring darcs hub up to match github standards.

-- Dan Burton

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

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I'll light a candle in honor of another fallen darcs repo :(

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote:

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You can now find it here: https://github.com/haskell/bytestring

Ian, please update your GHC juju accordingly.

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Johan Tibell

8:34 p.m.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Burton wrote:

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If we invest more heavily in hub.darcs.net then perhaps we wouldn't have to defect to github. Sadly, it will take a lot of effort to bring darcs hub up to match github standards.

To be honest, this will never happen. GitHub has 147 employees ( https://github.com/about/team) paid to make GitHub great. Darcs is great in many ways, but we need to move on as a community. Lets not insist on using Darcs when GitHub serves the community better. We want Haskell to succeed (for some definition of succeed), not any particular piece of Haskell software.

Jeremy Shaw

8:50 p.m.

Ah.. but you see.. they are trying to make a piece of junk like git useable, and they are using ruby on rails to do it. Now, we all know that Haskell makes you 10x more productive -- so we only need 14.7 employees. We also know that most corporate employees only do 1-2 hours of real work per day. So, that brings us down to 2-4 people who are really working. And, we don't have to be better than github.. just good enough that people don't feel forced to switch. Also, we can cut down on design time by stealing the good ideas from github. Totally doable :) - jeremy On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Johan Tibell wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Burton wrote:

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If we invest more heavily in hub.darcs.net then perhaps we wouldn't have to defect to github. Sadly, it will take a lot of effort to bring darcs hub up to match github standards.

To be honest, this will never happen. GitHub has 147 employees (https://github.com/about/team) paid to make GitHub great. Darcs is great in many ways, but we need to move on as a community. Lets not insist on using Darcs when GitHub serves the community better. We want Haskell to succeed (for some definition of succeed), not any particular piece of Haskell software.

Edward A Kmett

9:36 p.m.

+1 I don't like git, but it -can- do everything I need and the existing community around it is enormous. Saying we can compete with some spit polish on hub.darcs.net is analogous to all the companies that try to compete with facebook with a "social" makeover of their site. You can't reclaim the marketshare when its slipped this far away from you. All you are doing is throwing good effort after bad. I treat any package I see with a darcs repo listed as effectively unmaintained. This is a prejudicial judgement and it is unfair to those who do maintain their packages, but I'm not the only one, an it isn't a view entirely without merit. I have to use git, I have to maintain a github account to tweak lots of things in other ecosystems, so I need to know how to do all the fiddly git operations anyways. I used to enjoy using darcs, but that isn't enough for me to keep paged in enough of an operational understanding of it, set up another account and get around to contributing to a project on a darcs hosting site. Add to that the sheer number of job offers and consulting opportunities that arise from people who see my work on github, and it becomes a actively detrimental to me to split my presence between the one where everyone is and some haskell backwater. -Edward On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Johan Tibell wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Burton wrote:

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If we invest more heavily in hub.darcs.net then perhaps we wouldn't have to defect to github. Sadly, it will take a lot of effort to bring darcs hub up to match github standards.

To be honest, this will never happen. GitHub has 147 employees (https://github.com/about/team) paid to make GitHub great. Darcs is great in many ways, but we need to move on as a community. Lets not insist on using Darcs when GitHub serves the community better. We want Haskell to succeed (for some definition of succeed), not any particular piece of Haskell software.

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Felipe Almeida Lessa

8:43 p.m.

It would be so hard to match github that I think that it could be easier to lobby github into supporting darcs... On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Dan Burton wrote:

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If we invest more heavily in hub.darcs.net then perhaps we wouldn't have to defect to github. Sadly, it will take a lot of effort to bring darcs hub up to match github standards.

-- Dan Burton

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Shaw wrote:

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I'll light a candle in honor of another fallen darcs repo :(

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote:

...
You can now find it here: https://github.com/haskell/bytestring

Ian, please update your GHC juju accordingly.

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-- Felipe.

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