Hello! I'm (still) Haskell noob learning the language with the help of RWH book and plan to write desktop GUI app (probably with qthaskell). However, there is also need to put together some web sites and I'd be very happy to use Haskell instead of tinkering with Python/Django. You know, once when you get even a small taste for Haskell it's hard to 'go back'. :-) Although it might be great framework, I'll be frank to say that Happstack with all technology that goes along is something which is either too complicated for me, not practical to be run on shared hosting (e.g. Webfaction), not documented properly and it belongs to 'noSQL' which is not for me at the moment. That's why I'm interested to discuss possibility to somehow consolidate Haskell's web frameworks nad provide something which is good for practical development, does not require VPS to be used, nice documentation etc. If we take a look in the Python's neigbourhood, we think something like Django although knowing well that it is quite big community, with lot of docs, books, apps etc., so it's maybe not the best example. However, Alson's yesterday post about leaving Haskell and (probably) leaving Turbinado abandoned (http://www.alsonkemp.com/haskell/reflections-on-leaving-haskell/) made me think to write this post. From his post it is obvious that he faced some walls during his devlopment which he could not overcome. I'm sad that the Turbinado was not more open so that someone can jump in and offer suggestions. Otoh, it was also not documented - docs were promised for quite some time, but nothing happened. Otherwise, the project had some nice objectives...so, let's learn the lessons. Some time ago, Michael posted about Yesod and I read about WAI initiative. He is very responsive and I've already exchanged several emails with him, but being noob for web-development in Haskell I want to learn more and help, according to my skills, that Haskell gets one decent & practical web-framework. The Haskell language itself was created to consolidate fragmented market of different FP languages. Are we ready to follow our 'ancestors' and in their spirit do the same when it comes to web-framework(s)? * Is it WAI & Yesod good start? What the others think? Any further reference you can provide for someone to learn more about web-programming in Haskell? (RWH is not very extensive here.) * I said frameworks because it seems that Happs is in its own category and if you read the comments in the above referenced URL, you'll see that often Happs is labeled as too complex. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------