Mithril - It is described as stronger than steel but much lighter in weight.

I thought the idea was to come up with a name that would be easier to pronounce across cultures and have more meaning, not be harder and have about the same :)

And the name is not taken (suprisingly)

On Friday, March 25, 2011 02:46:03 PM you wrote:

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Michael has floated the possibility of re-naming Yesod.

Pro: * Something that everyone can pronounce * Something easier to remember * Something that invokes a meaningful mental impression (instead of a "what does that mean?").

Con: * Yesod is *very* distinctive, we'd most likely end up with a less unique name * People know Yesod already One other con we had was the re-naming effort, but I think we could mitigate that by continuing to use the Yesod name in the code to a large extent for a while.

Would a phonetic spelling on the homepage help? yee-sode: high performance, type-safe web development

Feedback on the issue is welcome. We are probably more concerned about thinking back to the initial impression someone gets of the framework when evaluating it or beginning to use it. It would be great to hear opinion from the international crowd.

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I agree with keeping the name. I have no idea what a Yesod is or how to pronounce it, but I can think of a handful of common names that sounded silly or obscure, but then they became common vernacular. (Google and Twitter to name two) Speaking of Google, unique names are much easier to find in searches. Searching for Nitrogen or Go can be problematic. Ruby on Rails was even difficult for a while until it became an institution. On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, wrote:

:) I agree, silly name. Not sure though about how hard it is to pronounce. I am not a native english speaker, and yet i have no problem with that name.

On Saturday, March 26, 2011 01:08:32 AM you wrote:

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Mithril - It is described as stronger than steel but much lighter in weight.

I thought the idea was to come up with a name that would be easier to pronounce across cultures and have more meaning, not be harder and have about the same :)

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And the name is not taken (suprisingly)

On Friday, March 25, 2011 02:46:03 PM you wrote:

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Michael has floated the possibility of re-naming Yesod.

Pro: * Something that everyone can pronounce * Something easier to remember * Something that invokes a meaningful mental impression (instead of a "what does that mean?").

Con: * Yesod is *very* distinctive, we'd most likely end up with a less unique name * People know Yesod already One other con we had was the re-naming effort, but I think we could mitigate that by continuing to use the Yesod name in the code to a large extent for a while.

Would a phonetic spelling on the homepage help? yee-sode: high performance, type-safe web development

Feedback on the issue is welcome. We are probably more concerned about thinking back to the initial impression someone gets of the framework when evaluating it or beginning to use it. It would be great to hear opinion from the international crowd.

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Just to throw my 2¢ in, I have to admit that I frequently confuse Yesod and Yampa (and I use them both!). Two 5-letter names starting with "Y", both big parts of the Haskell "ecosystem," can be confusing. Tom On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Snoyman wrote:

Thanks for the input everyone. It sounds like most people are not in favor of the rename. Glad to get external confirmation: I personally have no problem pronouncing the name, but I chose it in the first place ;). I think I'll be putting up a new screencast soon, and I'll be sure to pronounce the name as clearly as my American-accented Hebrew will allow for.

As for the "correct" way to pronounce the name: the "e" is from the Hebrew vowel "shva", which is known linguistically as a Schwa[1]. The "o" is a long vowel, like in "soap". "Y", "s" and "d" are pronounced just like they are in English.

Thanks to my wife for the assistance: fortunately, she studied linguistics in school. I would have had know idea about the Schwa.

Michael

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa

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:) I agree, silly name. Not sure though about how hard it is to

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM, wrote: pronounce. I

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am not a native english speaker, and yet i have no problem with that name.

On Saturday, March 26, 2011 01:08:32 AM you wrote:

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Mithril - It is described as stronger than steel but much lighter in weight.

I thought the idea was to come up with a name that would be easier to pronounce across cultures and have more meaning, not be harder and have about the same :)

...

And the name is not taken (suprisingly)

On Friday, March 25, 2011 02:46:03 PM you wrote:

...

Michael has floated the possibility of re-naming Yesod.

Pro: * Something that everyone can pronounce * Something easier to remember * Something that invokes a meaningful mental impression (instead of a "what does that mean?").

Con: * Yesod is *very* distinctive, we'd most likely end up with a less unique name * People know Yesod already One other con we had was the re-naming effort, but I think we could mitigate that by continuing to use the Yesod name in the code to a large extent for a while.

Would a phonetic spelling on the homepage help? yee-sode: high performance, type-safe web development

Feedback on the issue is welcome. We are probably more concerned about thinking back to the initial impression someone gets of the framework when evaluating it or beginning to use it. It would be great to hear opinion from the international crowd.

_______________________________________________ web-devel mailing list web-devel@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/web-devel

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