I don't see the point of adding another package, what problem does it really solve? Some of the arguments for adding a third package border on intellectual dishonesty: we can't claim that xmonad is the same minimal window manager if we quadruple the lines of code used in the default configuration. I'd like to see concrete suggestions of what ought to be added if we made this xmonad/core/contrib split. Regarding "sane defaults", I think there are just a few things that need to be added to xmonad proper: - Full screen windows - ICCCM focus protocol/make Java work - Handling of a few window types: dock, desktop, etc. - Status bar without editing xmonad.hs (current plan is to do this via EWMH) Each of these could be added to the xmonad we know now without changing packaging policy. Cheers, Spencer Janssen