Hello All, In the four years I've been using Xmonad, I have only convinced one other human to try it and she too has become an addict. For most of that time, I had been using Ubuntu with either Gnome 2 or fallback/classic. However, in an attempt to ween myself from most DE candy, I have installed stable Debian Wheezy with Xfce. Starting up Xmonad, Xfce on Wheezy was much easier than the Xmonad wiki would have you believe. I installed xmonad and libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev, a four line xmonad.hs using xfceConfig, and had the option to choose the WM at login. But I am having some trouble with the panel. Perhaps you can help. Because I do not need it often, I am starting the xfce4-panel from the command line as needed. But the panel behaves strangely: floating above or behind other windows. Only after moving windows around to different workspaces, the panel eventually behaves like other well tiled windows. I wonder if there is a better way. Can I have the panel hidden by default but appear with the standard mod-b key? Should I be concerned by these warnings whenever I start xfce4-panel?: "g_error_new_valist: runtime check failed (domain ! = 0)" and "Failed to connect to session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined" Also I'm curious. Is there any difference between xfceConfig and desktopConfig? Cheers, Alex [ B068 ED90 F47B 0965 2953 9FC3 EE9C C4D5 3E51 A207 ]