-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 18:33:55 GMT, Sean Allen wrote:

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Do you need power management / wireless networking management?

Yes that would probably be handy as well.

I manage wireless with wpa_supplicant.conf right now. There is wpa_cli, but I've found it less than useful in general; you just have to trust your priorities for networks. If you're willing to run NetworkManager, you can define your own wireless connections[1] and then use nmcli to connect to them. For power management, just get yourself access to UPower and you can suspend and hibernate without getting root privs by using DBus. UDisks can manage disk mounts (there are tools that do things automatically[2]). You could, alternatively, set up autofs to mount external disks manually upon entering a special directory (e.g., cd /mnt/usb/fat/sdb2 will mount sdb2 as FAT and set perms for my user). This solution only works for one user (though you could set up directories so that the uid is a parameter and /mnt/usb/fat/1000/sdb2 mounts things so UID 1000 gets full access). If you'd like to know how to do this, I can post my auto.* configs. - --Ben [1]http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/api/09/ref-settings.html [2]https://bitbucket.org/byronclark/udiskie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJPfPQ3AAoJEKaxavVX4C1XasMP/0Gvm/6HmYMZGbUaRmvjYG83 +ia5fE30d9Wn38agasK2YSJ1m7fjoifvU83Ex91k1/zR2eBJNb+ZNjHiFRVrjr1L edDQMcMTKk6YeqbwK8+aqcRO1y7ahT5NEDm/9xZYL4C19ktO6mZCxfS2SsCW+Axw 1VyOrxcf+Twssrt5/LV6TV/jpXQ6rv7EPFjTfWNf258g+SDuyQzgnHMETIsByR3D u1/AQ/O1yQ64Q6liOAcch2VvjwQTzDWJ4y2C/5lVMjlOVUaJhLaDAqsZyVIHOAbm Ut8+RTKLYHshpULWNDm0TZFTTh8dqB1sr44N0a965571fwSuMiD5JYWViCOXKD00 YiGbNQfDQbgnXM42hqA65QcOkC3a4RQ02pwQIXgp6P5rQzsNs1zYebhFlYSOaD46 1GjDKuhpP9Q95R72jB+34OxzTEme4pcVeE1xKu11nyKWH68jeKiI/s3vEkOwI3d7 C2YF4fVdU0POKCuMObrscLgkgqeHA2XgBRdOFvrkaIKPKCGc/6zakAGt7LeN8Qkn apKJzwx+oHK5bT/uHRClkn5bCX+p+3i+f3rwXZTxdvj4dmTFlY5W6MuMhEB7643l PDdagApV6wg8vg5KECiVa9evk9+k70xyv8p8CNkSom2Amy+9tpb7V/hPSv8B2PWh a406AyFhAn6sNtx8NYys =2XN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 00:14:25 -0400, Sean Allen wrote:

I'd love to see them.

I spent years in slackware and what not when I was younger but frankly, got tired of it and wanted to move on to new things. Now though, gnome, xfce et al have gotten so bad, I'm seriously considering mucking about on levels that I don't really care about.

=== BEGIN === /etc/auto.master (edited) /mnt/auto /etc/auto.auto timeout=2 /mnt/mapper /etc/auto.mapper timeout=2 /mnt/usb /etc/auto.usb timeout=2 /mnt/usb/fat /etc/auto.usb.fat timeout=2 /mnt/usb/ntfs /etc/auto.usb.ntfs timeout=2 /mnt/cdrom /etc/auto.cdrom timeout=15 === END === === BEGIN === /etc/auto.auto (edited) foo -fstype=auto,rw,noexec,relatime,nodev :UUID=XXXX bar -fstype=auto,rw,noexec,relatime,nodev :UUID=XXXX === END === === BEGIN === /etc/auto.mapper * -fstype=auto,rw,noexec,relatime,nodev :/dev/mapper/& === END === === BEGIN === /etc/auto.usb * -fstype=auto,rw,noexec,relatime,nodev :/dev/& === END === === BEGIN === /etc/auto.usb.fat * -fstype=vfat,uid=$UID,gid=$GID,rw,noatime,noexec,nodev :/dev/& === END === === BEGIN === /etc/auto.usb.ntfs * -fstype=ntfs,uid=$UID,gid=$GID,rw,noatime,noexec,nodev :/dev/& === END === === BEGIN === /etc/auto.cdrom cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom cdrw -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrw dvd -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/dvd dvdrw -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/dvdrw === END === You then just change to the directory and things are automatically mounted. Unmounting before the timeout happens requires root (which is the main reason I'm looking at udisks to replace autofs). The fat and ntfs specializations are there because of the owner issue. --Ben

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 21:38, Sean Allen wrote:

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nothing? <-- and handle all of the above issues manually gnome 2? gnome 3? kde?

KDE integration is somewhat broken at the moment because of some weird extensions to EWMH KDE uses that are not presently handled properly (I have a fix for one of them, but have not had a chance to track down another one; both make KDE difficult to use properly).

Gnome 3 integration works more or less by degrading it to its fallback mode, which is a particularly ugly (IMO) Gnome 2 setup; sadly, as far as I can tell if you have Gnome 3 installed then that's the only option you get. (I have been trying to get it to behave differently with no success so far, but that may just be something about Debian testing.)

Xfce integration as documented in the wiki is out of date... I have no details there, sadly.

At the moment Gnome 2 is probably the best bet, with Gnome 3 fallback as the next.

Thanks. This is some of the info I was really in need of. If I choose to go the none straight xmonad route, gnome 2 would be the way. -Sean-