On 8 November 2012 10:09, Lally Singh wrote:

Another gmail account defaults to reply-all. Ugh.

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lally Singh Date: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [xmonad] A community-driven effort to make XMonad better and better To: Carsten Mattner

I think darcs is a hinderer to xmonad development. The lack of activity, but the plentitude of interest in xmonad indicate that much.

How is this the fault of _darcs_? I admittedly haven't used xmonad much the past few years (mainly because I kept meaning to get Exherbo's Haskell packages into shape first so I could _have_ a sensible xmonad package, which I've only just started to do so now) but I tend to side with Brandon on this, even if he's a little sensationalist with his choice of terminology. For starters, isn't it a little pre-emptive for someone to create an "XMonad project" on github and designate it as being the new official repository, etc. _before_ getting any consensus (since - even if he's been AWOL recently - we _have_ a maintainer, etc.)? I would be more welcome to a long-term contributor like Gwern say doing something like this, seeing as how he has been doing the HCAR reports, triaging patches, etc. for as long as I can recall using XMonad. It's also a little disingenuous to refer to your new proposed site as "community-driven"...

Alfredo: please count me in. My github username is lally.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Carsten Mattner wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Brian McKenna wrote:

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As the author of osxmonad, I'm really happy with this initiative. I'm not so much of a GitHub person as a Bitbucket person but that's beside the point.

A central place for all of XMonad, osxmonad, Contrib, extras and the website to live would be awesome. From what I can tell, GitHub is being used as a code hosting tool - not a brainwashing clinic.

xmonad used darcs and therefore http://hub.darcs.net would be a better fit. Joachim's patch tracker works and darcs works.

I think we only need more reviewers and contributors and a more active committer to the canonical darcs repository.

I don't mind and do use hg or git but let's not use the slow release problem as a reason to change the vcs system.

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On 7 November 2012 10:52, Alfredo Di Napoli wrote:

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Thanks Tim for winding-back the whole thread history. I'm not a Github evangelist and I don't like the fold this thread is taking. I have not prejudices and I'm not get payed from Github for opening repos. I just thought if is during this time frame the most used social coding app to get things done, and considered that the existing fork of the Copenaghen guys, as well as osxmonad are STILL on Github, for me is the most reasonable choice. Stop!

As regards the website writing thing, again, I don't want to pass the idea I'm the leader of something. I've just kickstarted the whole thing like a community thing! Please get involved! You don't like the idea of a new website? Fine! I'll stick with anything the community wants :) I just thought that if we have a new website we also have an alternative, as who knows we like the new website more the the old? :)

To sum up, I think that Tim has exactly made my point, so the rest it's up to you. If you like the idea, please chime in. Otherwise maybe we'll continue with our "fork" to see where it brings us, and the xmonad official repo will continue to be in darcs, exactly as is it now.

Have a nice day! A.

On 7 November 2012 18:35, wrote:

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Read back in this thread. There was no sugestion that someone doesn't exist. Alfredo asked if the project was maintained after discovering that there were not many recent commits to the darcs repo and patches for bugs which had yet to be merged. Another user chimed in that they too would like those patches merged into master and that the lack of a maintainer was what was holding things back. That second user said that they were maintaining their fixed repo on github. Alfredo kindly volunteered to maintain the project, and suggested bringing the project onto github. No assumption was ever made by anyone. Except perhaps Alfredo's assumption that the website needed a re-write as well :P

Tim

---------- Původní zpráva ---------- Od: Brandon Allbery Datum: 7. 11. 2012 Předmět: Re: [xmonad] A community-driven effort to make XMonad better and better

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Joachim Breitner wrote:

But what I read out of Brandon’s mails is: It is not a different infrastructure that xmonad needs most, it is active and enduring maintenance and development. I’ve often seen people get excited about

It's part that (and how much activity do you think a Haskell-based project gets? if I applied the Githubbers; Witnesses model to *that* I get a rewrite into PHP!) and part that I detest Github evangelists.

It really is The One True Church behavior. We don't exist, have no organization, etc. because we had the presumption to not use The Holy Github? This is the message of Github evangelists, repeatedly, on multiple projects.

NO.

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