On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Michael Norrish wrote:

On 13/09/12 10:52, Brandon Allbery wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Michael Norrish mailto:michael.norrish@nicta.com.au> wrote:

Until a few days ago, this was giving me a very pleasant xmonad experience with a little gnome seasoning. But, it also seems as if I can't adjust my gnome settings.

This happened to me when I migrated my Debian stable to testing (which ran GNOME 3); I never did find a way to make it behave, and finally gave up and wiped the install.

Thanks for the (depressing) news. I will have to look into what I can do without.

GNOME 3.x theming is still evolving and therefore you most probably have a theme which doesn't work correctly with the installed GNOME libraries. You can set a theme in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini. Try a default theme or one from gnome-look.org which supports your 3.2 or 3.4 GNOME version.

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Carsten Mattner wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Michael Norrish wrote:

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On 13/09/12 10:52, Brandon Allbery wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Michael Norrish mailto:michael.norrish@nicta.com.au> wrote: Until a few days ago, this was giving me a very pleasant xmonad experience with a little gnome seasoning. But, it also seems as if I can't adjust my gnome settings.

This happened to me when I migrated my Debian stable to testing (which ran GNOME 3); I never did find a way to make it behave, and finally gave up and wiped the install.

Thanks for the (depressing) news. I will have to look into what I can do without.

GNOME 3.x theming is still evolving and therefore you most

I should clarify: this was GNOME 3 running in fallback (i.e. "should be" GNOME 2). But somehow all theming was disabled and (it being that I had a theme engine configured, and it was present in the system and if I installed a theme manager I could deselect/reselect it) theme engines threw errors as if they couldn't be found. Or, integrating the above, that something is forcing the theme to something stupid and ugly, possibly in a misguided attempt to get people to throw everything (possibly including hardware) out and upgrade to the Glorious New Shiny.

I'd like to throw a bit in here. I'm running completely without {gnome,xfce}-session-manager (which does normally all the fancy gtk theme settings). It is possible to configure gtk-{2,3} applications without GNOME or XFCE though. For reference I've attached my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini files. Themes can most likely be found in /usr/share/themes (depends on installation) whereas icon themes normally reside in /usr/share/icons (again, dependent on installation). The reference for configuring gtk with plain files are http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/stable/GtkSettings.html http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html Please note that the format slightly differs, especially for strings. It is also noteworthy, that the include for a theme in gtkrc-2.0 has to be upfront. Hope this was helpful and best regards, Jochen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBSCDIACgkQtVwvsA+W4CA3vACcDEWA2mz8fBuE1f/6wqnLHMYA rmMAn18bC+ywEqnJiOHPdqCazDMbFB23 =12+/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Carsten Mattner wrote:

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Jochen Keil wrote:

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Hi,

On 13.09.2012 17:15, Brandon Allbery wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Carsten Mattner wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Michael Norrish wrote:

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On 13/09/12 10:52, Brandon Allbery wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Michael Norrish mailto:michael.norrish@nicta.com.au> wrote: Until a few days ago, this was giving me a very pleasant xmonad experience with a little gnome seasoning. But, it also seems as if I can't adjust my gnome settings.

This happened to me when I migrated my Debian stable to testing (which ran GNOME 3); I never did find a way to make it behave, and finally gave up and wiped the install.

Thanks for the (depressing) news. I will have to look into what I can do without.

GNOME 3.x theming is still evolving and therefore you most

I should clarify: this was GNOME 3 running in fallback (i.e. "should be" GNOME 2). But somehow all theming was disabled and (it being that I had a theme engine configured, and it was present in the system and if I installed a theme manager I could deselect/reselect it) theme engines threw errors as if they couldn't be found. Or, integrating the above, that something is forcing the theme to something stupid and ugly, possibly in a misguided attempt to get people to throw everything (possibly including hardware) out and upgrade to the Glorious New Shiny.

I'd like to throw a bit in here. I'm running completely without {gnome,xfce}-session-manager (which does normally all the fancy gtk theme settings). It is possible to configure gtk-{2,3} applications without GNOME or XFCE though.

For reference I've attached my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini files.

Themes can most likely be found in /usr/share/themes (depends on installation) whereas icon themes normally reside in /usr/share/icons (again, dependent on installation).

Plus ~/.themes and ~/.icons.

~/.gtkrc-2.0 is also sourced. For ease of use there are several gtk2 and gtk3 theme selector/configurators: gtk-chtheme, lxappearance, and a tools called widget factory which I don't remember the package or exact project name of.

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The reference for configuring gtk with plain files are http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/stable/GtkSettings.html http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html Please note that the format slightly differs, especially for strings. It is also noteworthy, that the include for a theme in gtkrc-2.0 has to be upfront.

Hope this was helpful and best regards,

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Hello Michael,

On 14.09.2012 08:18, Michael Norrish wrote:
> On 14/09/12 02:22, Jochen Keil wrote:
> 
>>> I should clarify:  this was GNOME 3 running in fallback (i.e. 
>>> "should be" GNOME 2).  But somehow all theming was disabled and
>>> (it being that I had a theme engine configured, and it was
>>> present in the system and if I installed a theme manager I
>>> could deselect/reselect it) theme engines threw errors as if
>>> they couldn't be found.  Or, integrating the above, that
>>> something is forcing the theme to something stupid and ugly,
>>> possibly in a misguided attempt to get people to throw
>>> everything (possibly including hardware) out and upgrade to the
>>> Glorious New Shiny.
> 
>> I'd like to throw a bit in here. I'm running completely without 
>> {gnome,xfce}-session-manager (which does normally all the fancy
>> gtk theme settings). It is possible to configure gtk-{2,3}
>> applications without GNOME or XFCE though.
> 
>> For reference I've attached my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and 
>> ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini files.
> 
>> Themes can most likely be found in /usr/share/themes (depends on 
>> installation) whereas icon themes normally reside in
>> /usr/share/icons (again, dependent on installation).
> 
> Dear Jochen,
> 
> My desktop settings call for a gnome-settings-daemon to be run,
> and indeed, ps reveals that one is running.  I can also configure
> some things from the System Tools/System Settings/ menu.  For
> example, turning on sticky modifiers in the Universal Access/Typing
> screen works.  But changing the theme in Appearance doesn't seem to
> do anything at all.  Nor can I seem to change the system font
> anywhere.
You can combine manual configuration and a settings daemon. However,
in my experience you are asking for trouble. :)

> I don't have either a ~/.gtkrc-2.0  or ~/.config/gtk-3.0
> directory.
~/.gtkrc-2.0 is a file, like the (previously) attached one.
~/.config/gtk-3.0 is a directory, which you can create using "mkdir
- -p". You should, however, check if ~/.config is your $XDG_CONFIG_HOME.
After that you can place your settings.ini (for configuring gtk-3.0
based apps) there.

> How do I tell which framework my applications are basing themselves
> on?
The methods I can think of are:
* Use ldd `which my-application`
* Check the dependencies with you packet manager
* Judge by the looks.. (meaning you know about the subtle differences
between gtk-2 and gtk-3. :)

> Of the files you attached, should I just create instances of all of
> them?
Depends on what you want/need. .gtkrc-2.0 is for gtk2 and settings.ini
for gtk3.

In addition, Carsten mentioned some graphical helper programs in his
last email. Personally, I prefer the textual method, since I don't
find the documentation I've linked to in my last mail very hard to
understand.

> Thanks for any advice you may have,
My pleasure,

Jochen
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