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Re: Why is Day and Month bounded?
by Johan Holmquist 15 Jul '06

15 Jul '06

I'll answer my own post to elaborate: If Day (and Month) where NOT instances of Bounded, the following would be possible: [Monday .. Sunday] => should return [Monday, Tuesday ... Saturday, Sunday] => but returns [] [Saturday .. Tuesday] => should return [Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday] => but returns [] succ Saturday => should return Sunday => but yields an exception It would feel natural to be able to get the desired results above. The Haskell98 report stipulates: --->8--- For any type that is an instance of class Bounded as well as Enum, the following should hold: The calls succ maxBound and pred minBound should result in a runtime error. --->8--- So, the standard library System.Time respects that and yields exception for succ Saturday. But if Day was not an instance of Bounded should it not be legal for succ Saturday to return Sunday? Now I cannot see the advantage of letting Day (and Month) be instances of Bounded. The only thing we get out of that is access to functions maxBound and minBound, but those do not seem useful to me for either Day or Month. /Johan

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ldap-haskell questions
by Ferenc Wagner 15 Jul '06

15 Jul '06

Hi, to start off, I'm using ldap-haskell straight from its darcs repo under GHC-6.4.1, and it works. Just not quite like I want. First, I can't make a static compile: $ ghc --make prog.hs -o prog works without a warning, while $ ghc --make prog.hs -o prog -optl -static [...] /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(os-ip.o)(.text+0x38a): In function `ldap_pvt_is_socket_ready': : warning: `sys_errlist' is deprecated; use `strerror' or `strerror_r' instead /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(os-ip.o)(.text+0x381): In function `ldap_pvt_is_socket_ready': : warning: `sys_nerr' is deprecated; use `strerror' or `strerror_r' instead /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(os-ip.o)(.text+0x684): In function `ldap_connect_to_host': : warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(util-int.o)(.text+0x232): In function `ldap_pvt_gethostbyaddr_a': : warning: Using 'gethostbyaddr_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(util-int.o)(.text+0x64): In function `ldap_pvt_gethostbyname_a': : warning: Using 'gethostbyname_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(open.o)(.text+0x1b7): In function `ldap_create': : undefined reference to `ber_memcalloc' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libldap.a(open.o)(.text+0x26d): In function `ldap_create': : undefined reference to `ber_sockbuf_alloc' [...] (plenty of undefined references elided) If I cut out the LDAP part, the above command creates a static executable just fine. Second, I find no trace of SSL/TLS routines. Is that really left out, or do I overlook something? -- Thanks, Feri.

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RE: [Haskell-cafe] Comma in the front
by Tim Docker 15 Jul '06

15 Jul '06

On Jul 12, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Joel Reymont wrote: > Are cool kids supposed to put the comma in front like this? > > , foo > , bar > , baz > > Is this for historical or other reasons because Emacs formats Haskell > code well enough regardless. > > Thanks, Joel > These layouts feel a bit artificial to me. I am quite partial to python's list syntax - a trailing comma is optional. meaning you can write [ a, b, c, ] I'm surprised this approach isn't more widespread - Are there reasons why haskell syntax could not/should not be defined this way? Tim

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Type of a function?
by Jenny678 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

Hallo Can somebody tell me the type of the following function? func :: ????????????? func f x = (z,y) where (z,y) = f x Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Type-of-a-function--tf1945843.html#a5335607 Sent from the Haskell - Haskell-Cafe forum at Nabble.com.

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can't WashNGo (abstract tables)
by Ferenc Wagner 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

Hi, trying to put WashNGo-2.9 to a nontrivial prototyping job gave some very compelling results so far, but also got me stumped on occasions. I'd be grateful for some guidance on the following points, concerning abstract tables mainly. * selectionDisplay: looks like displayFun (fourth arg) mustn't fail for null arguments, as it's invoked with them after leaving the page it appears on. An error or a feature? Is it documented? * trying to get around the "Strings only" restriction of AT's I threw in some show-read pairs, but got the impression that the channel is not Char-clean: Base64.encode . UTF8.encode helped. What's the spec? * should a click on an AT radio button result in submission of the form? It does not, which is OK with me. But the following code fails in a rather strange way: > data Record = P String Person | R String Role | Unknown String deriving (Read,Show) > > unAtSafe :: String -> Record > unAtSafe = read . fst . UTF8.decode . Base64.decode > > edit sg = case record of > P dn p -> editPerson dn p > R dn r -> editRole dn r > Unknown s -> standardQuery "No dice" $ CGI.div $ -- provokes error in AbstractSelector.hs:115 > do p $ text s > goBack > where record = unAtSafe $ head $ unAR $ value sg > > editPerson :: String -> Person -> CGI () > editPerson dn p = > standardQuery "Edit person" $ CGI.div $ > do inputs <- personTable p > actionPar "Modify" (createPerson dn) inputs In this case Person and Role contain String fields only. The abstract table contains Records, and the above function 'edit' dispatches on the type of the selected Record. The first two cases work, the Unknown case trips on an 'error' in the WashNGo code as indicated. It's in the valueSelectionGroup function, if selectionValue is Nothing. How could I fix this? * Lastly, how can I go back some queries? goBack above is basically a 'submit0 (return ())' which continues the main 'forever' loop. But what if I need to go back in the middle of the current loop, as if the user pressed Back several times? -- Thanks, Feri.

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Building Data.Time on WinXP GHC6.4.1
by Alistair Bayley 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

Has anyone built Ashley's Data.Time package on Windows? I ask because timestuff.c fails to compile for me because it refers to fields (tm_zone, tm_gmtoff) in struct tm which don't seem to exist on Windows (at least, mingw). Alistair

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ANN: Takusen 0.5
by Alistair Bayley 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

Oleg and I are pleased to announce the release of a new version of Takusen (it's been a while; so long that we don't remember the last version number we used). The most significant code change is a new internal design (courtesy of Oleg) which gives better separation of concerns like statement preparation, binding, and result-set processing. Also of note is a conversion to darcs, and hosting at haskell.org (thanks to Simon Marlow): darcs get http://darcs.haskell.org/takusen ... which also has the nice property that the Haddock documentation is browseable online: http://darcs.haskell.org/takusen/doc/html/index.html A comprehensive description of API usage can be found in the documentation for module Database.Enumerator: http://darcs.haskell.org/takusen/doc/html/Database-Enumerator.html We hope that the use of darcs will encourage contributions... Other changes: - support for multiple result sets returned from functions (PostgreSQL only). Oracle support for this is in the pipeline, which will allow use of nested cursors, and processing RefCursors returned as output parameters from procedure calls. Future plans: - Cabalisation - use of Data.Time instead of System.Time - ODBC and MS Sql Server backends For those of you unfamiliar with Takusen, here is our HCAR blurb: Takusen is a library for accessing DBMS's. It is a low-level library like HSQL, in the sense that it is used to issue SQL statements. Takusen's "unique-selling-point" is a design for processing query results using a left-fold enumerator. For queries the user creates an iteratee function, which is fed rows one-at-a-time from the result-set. We also support processing query results using a cursor interface, if you require finer-grained control. Currently we fully support Oracle, Sqlite, and PostgreSQL. Alistair

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Why is Day and Month bounded?
by Johan Holmquist 13 Jul '06

13 Jul '06

I fail to see why the types Day and Month in System.Time are instances of Bounded. In my world there is no last day and the successor of Saturday is Sunday -- not an exception! :) I would like to believe there is a good reason for this boundedness, but I can't see it.

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Using of C constants in Haskell sources; Determining compilation environment (Unix vs Windows)
by Bulat Ziganshin 13 Jul '06

13 Jul '06

Hello Haskell, what is a best way to bring C constant (defined in header file) into the Haskell source? Haskell project is cabalized and should work with both Win and Unix while the constants are OS-specific. the best way i found at this moment is to use the following scheme: mmap.h: #if defined(mingw32_HOST_OS) || defined(__MINGW32__) || defined(_MSC_VER) .... #else INLINE int const_MAP_FILE( void ) { return MAP_FILE; } #endif mmap.hs: #if defined(mingw32_HOST_OS) || defined(__MINGW32__) || defined(_MSC_VER) .... #else foreign import ccall unsafe "mydefs.h const_MAP_FILE" mAP_FILE :: CInt #endif Second question is how to test whether program compiles under Unix or Windows environment. Posix/Win32 packages availability would be the best criterion but it can't be tested :( -- Best regards, Bulat mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin@gmail.com

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Hackathon hesitation
by Chad Scherrer 13 Jul '06

13 Jul '06

Hi, I'm interested in attending the Hackathon, but I don't have any previous experience working on compilers. I think it could be a great learning experience, but I certainly don't want to slow progress on any work by just hanging around asking questions. I'm a mathematician/statistician, and my programming experience is limited to high-level languages like Python, R, and Haskell. I can read C (sort of), but I've been too frustrated by the lack of high-level features to do anything useful with it. I've been using Haskell for about 2 years now (every chance I get), and I'm very interested in using it to allow high-performance (preferably parallel) code to be written at a very high level of abstraction. Given this, does it seem there would be much I could help with? Thanks, Chad Scherrer "Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana" -- Groucho Marx

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