What the heck does a "full torque of the electrical bus riser" mean? Don't get me wrong, it sounds badass. -deech On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Antoine Latter wrote:

Thanks, Ross.

Here's a Reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/efw38/reminder_hackagehaskellorg_ou...

Antoine

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Ross Paterson wrote:

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On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 02:01:44PM +0000, Ozgur Akgun wrote:

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http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://hackage.haskell.org

Apparently {darcs,hackage}.haskell.org is out for the day -- announced on Reddit but not here.

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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Albert Y. C. Lai wrote:

On 10-12-04 01:03 PM, Antoine Latter wrote:

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Here's a Reddit post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/efw38/reminder_hackagehaskellorg_ou...

This is the second consecutive time a planned downtime is not announced on either mailing lists.

Sorry, it never occurred to me to post there. Don appears to be the only one on the entire haskell infrastructure team or haskell.org committee that thought to post it _anywhere_. IMO, we should thank him for that much and ask for haskell/haskell-cafe list reminders in the future. Lots of people could have done this not just Don.

This seems to me planned obsoletion of the mailing lists. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/82673

Was the planned obsoletion of the mailing lists also announced on reddit?

Not that I know of, but it was announced on Haskell-Cafe according to the link you posted :)

Personally I refuse to use reddit and many web 2.0 things for both pragmatic (usability) and ideological reasons.

The most important pragmatic reason for me is retarded or no attempt at mark-as-read and show-all-and-only-those-unread.

For now, if a web 2.0 source I care enough about provides RSS, I make do with adding it to Google Reader, which provides mark-as-read and show-all-and-only-those-unread as perfectly as long-existing email programs.

In that case, here you go: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/216043045.rss http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/17788765.rss You can get those by finding them on twitter and then clicking the RSS link. That way you can use Google Reader and you don't have to have a twitter account or visit reddit. I hope that helps, Jason

Oh yeah, the 2.0 stuff that snobby techies love to hate :) hrrmpf back in my day we programmed in binary using a magnetized needle on the exposed tape! I don't need any of this newfangled bull****. I kid! But I am curious to see why people are so opposed to this stuff? The attitude "I can't see any reason for it to exist" (without having seriously tried it) seems similar to that our (haskell's) detractors use when taking a cursory glance at it and saying the syntax doesn't make sense. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Brandon S Allbery KF8NH < allbery@ece.cmu.edu> wrote:

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In that case, here you go: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/216043045.rss http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/17788765.rss

You can get those by finding them on twitter and then clicking the RSS

On 12/4/10 21:35 , Jason Dagit wrote: link.

Twitter might be the one idea worse than reddit for this kind of thing....

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On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 06:48:20PM +0100, Christopher Done wrote:

Of course, their use lies in their popularity. To be popular you have to be (1) well designed/usable and (2) stable/aka never down. This is why e.g. Github is extremely useful. It's well designed so it's easy to use, it's popular so most people are familiar with the interface, and it has near-perfect uptime. I frown a bit when someone provides a link to their Git repository and it's some custom repo viewer or non at all on a domain that may or may not exist next week. Twitter, reddit and blogspot are pretty much ideal for reporting on uptime issues.

Twitter and Reddit both have periods of unavailability almost on a daily basis, often several times per day. They always come back, but they are hardly models of availability. Just saying... dwc

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Oh yeah, the 2.0 stuff that snobby techies love to hate :) hrrmpf back in my day we programmed in binary using a magnetized needle on the exposed tape! I don't need any of this newfangled bull****.

I kid! But I am curious to see why people are so opposed to this stuff? The attitude "I can't see any reason for it to exist" (without having seriously tried it) seems similar to that our (haskell's) detractors use when taking a cursory glance at it and saying the syntax doesn't make sense.

My problem with reddit is (a) I always have to click through the reddit entry to see the article it's about; this is a usability botch as far as I'm concerned (b) I already have to follow too many sources of information, and would really like to get it under control. As for twitter, one word: firehose. *Way* too easy to miss things, even with Tweetdeck and the like. - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz70L0ACgkQIn7hlCsL25VOjACghY40T+eHMEeQSAtmjxkXFoXr 53IAnRR4j9xF/TiHmlAQAswjzju3Zf/7 =oOFZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/5/10 15:07 , Andrew Coppin wrote:

you actually cannot do something as trivial as follow a conversation

You can, just not via the web site. I do it in Tweetdeck all the time. That said, the important thing about Twitter is that it's *broadcast*. If you try to force it to be an AIM/Windows Live Messenger etc. replacement, you will be unhappy; if you use it as itself, it actually works fairly well. But "for itself" doesn't include reliable delivery in any sense; not only does it not provide any guarantees that the recipient(s) received or saw any given message, but the service itself is unreliable (constant outages, and the "fail whale" (referring to the message the web site displays when the service is overloaded) shows up a lot even when Twitter's up. - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz79HEACgkQIn7hlCsL25UlZwCgzJ76zZtLTixa3uf1Pi2sN2CA PVoAoK/ekbBEz+xUQbWiPLM7q14evyXp =wGeu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

2010/12/5 Andrew Coppin

I get Haskell. It's a programming language. You write programs with it. I get VB - even if I think it sucks. But something like Stack Overflow, I find myself just staring at it thinking "what the hell /is/ this thing?"

It's quite simple. Level 1 - You have an unresolved programming problem. You ask the question on stack overflow. People give you answers. - You can (if you wish) provide answers for questions others have asked. Level 2 To weed out bad material, answers and questions are voted up or down (supposedly) based on their pertinence, by the users. Level 3 Each upvote earns a user some points, and the opposite for a downvote. Users then have a score. Answers from a user with a high score might be more reliable. Level 4 There is a system of badges to earn, perhaps so that one finds some extra amusement in helping others. Level 5 I'm out of layers here. I think this is all there is to it. David.

On 10-12-05 12:34 PM, Daniel Peebles wrote:

Oh yeah, the 2.0 stuff that snobby techies love to hate :) hrrmpf back in my day we programmed in binary using a magnetized needle on the exposed tape! I don't need any of this newfangled bull****.

I kid! But I am curious to see why people are so opposed to this stuff? The attitude "I can't see any reason for it to exist" (without having seriously tried it) seems similar to that our (haskell's) detractors use when taking a cursory glance at it and saying the syntax doesn't make sense.

I pointed out one pragmatic problem, and even a workaround; this is not a case of hugging an old magnetized needle. Perhaps you should take more than a cursory glance of my message before saying that the stance doesn't make sense. If you have misplaced it, here it is again: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/84003

trebla:

On 10-12-04 01:03 PM, Antoine Latter wrote:

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Here's a Reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/efw38/reminder_hackagehaskellorg_ou...

This is the second consecutive time a planned downtime is not announced on either mailing lists.

This seems to me planned obsoletion of the mailing lists. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/82673

For now, if a web 2.0 source I care enough about provides RSS, I make do with adding it to Google Reader, which provides mark-as-read and show-all-and-only-those-unread as perfectly as long-existing email programs.

You can get a feed of haskell.org announcements here: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/216043045.rss Particularly when the mailing lists are down (e.g. due to server migration), cloud-hosted services have proven invaluable for getting the word out. -- Don