Hi, This is my first email to Haskell.org, and am very much a Haskell newbie. I have been fighting with Prolog and Smalltalk devotees for so many years: each one seeming to treat the other as the "arch" enemy. Perhaps I can get better response from the Haskell community. I have been, for the last ten years, acting upperCase(philosophical) and lowerCase (technical) researcher/consultant to Heyile Pty Ltd. in Sydney Australia. The purpose of the Ripose Technology is to provide the Conceptual missing link that has, for years evaded Smalltalk and Prolog application designers ie provision of Industriel strength, Enterprise Wide Definition and Business Wide (software) Definitions. The EWD seemed always to be a consensus, an agreement to fail. Every application had to be carefully hand crafted by a language programmer, acting for the business in accordance with what the programmer thought the entepreneur needed. Where is the industrial strength? Metaphysics seemed all they have to fall back on. When I met this guy, Richter, in 1992 I saw something mind bogglingly different in the way he designed business application: in hours rather than years and accurate. I agreed to use him and his technique to design for himself, free of charge, his own Business (Ripose Pty Ltd) and Enterprise (Ripose.Foundation) as proof of the Ripose concept, in return for the important front end: the Conceptual Pre-processor. This effectivily becomes free of charge to the design community. The Ripose Foundation (still only and idea) needs good disciplined competent programmers who do not feel insulted if they are required to program to strict definition. In short no hackers. The toolset is currently limited by the tools he was compelled to use for the last ten years: Omnis. I believe that the free bit could be redone in Haskell. The rewards are limited only by the imagination. Am I barking up the wrong tree? http://www.ripose.com/Mydream/ Please proceed to the price list to see the free bits. In my opinion the most important attributes. Justin Walsh ===Last conversation between Richter and a Foundation member========= Gerhard Thanks for your response. Omnis Studio is only my suggestion because I know the product fairly well and the Caspar (computer assisted strategic planning and reasoning) engine is the robust client server version currently running very well at the moment. The data base design behind Caspar is probably even more important than the code itself. Hence it does not matter to me whether the final eCaspar is written in Omnis Studio or anything else. If the response times of eCaspar are better than or even comparable to Caspar, I would have no hesitation to have Caspar replaced by eCaspar. This would then obviate the need to maintain two sets of code. The reason behind this statement is that I have still not successfully found a way to do a simple <a href> in the Omnis Studio Web based product. If this is not achieved then my whole strategy of delivering eCaspar in Omnis Studio, is in jeopardy. Quite frankly I do not really see the need to web enable Caspar as Caspar is probably more efficient and effective in its client server form than it will be if it was web enabled. Just to satisfy a few people who like the look and feel of a program running in a web browser does not appear to be a very sound strategy. They will still have to learn how to use the product and then decide to use our services! The main benefit of using Ripose and Caspar is to assist an entrepreneur rapidly design their ideal world and then test whether or not the idea will 'fly'. This must be done before investing any more of their or someone else's (business person's) hard earned money. Anyone interested in 'opportunism' will shy away from using Ripose and hence Caspar. Ripose achieves this benefit by providing the steps a Ripose architect has to take in order to clarify the idea/dream/thinking of the initiator/entrepreneur and thus produce/develop the ideal world and then test the idea. It does this by creating a hierarchy of objects and getting the entrepreneur, business person, technical person and process worker to clarify the following: a.. Concept behind the entrepreneur/business/person's existence by delivering the idea via two deliverables - objectives and a proof of concept. These two documents describes the: a.. Objects of the imagination - ie the objectives a.. Goals (1 Purpose, 4 missions/benefits and critical success factors (CSF) b.. The measures supporting each CSF, namely a.. Key performance indicators (KPI) b.. Service level agreements (SLA) b.. Objects behind the understanding of the objectives, namely the: a.. Knowledge base required to support the KPIs b.. Prioritized core and ancillary strategies/business functions and tactics/systems which will be needed to implement the knowledge base b.. Objects of reasoning - ie the logic required to test the understanding, by delivering the proof of logic containing the: a.. Data architecture - containing the following objects a.. The facts/data/attributes supporting each object/entity in the knowledge base b.. The data bases containing the 'normalized' or 'de-normalized' facts b.. Process architecture - containing the following objects a.. The high level processes - eg 'read a file', 'open a window' b.. The structured pseudo code, utilizing the processes to act on the data base - sequence, selection and iteration Finally we are now in a position for SQL and the languages to begin to 'strut their stuff' The Ripose technique and Caspar almost guarantee that the three deliverables will be delivered in less than 3 months. The time frame depends on the number of people in the enterprise a.. Objectives - about 10 days maximum - see http://www.ripose.com/Objectives.html for the savings associated with delivering the objectives b.. Strategies - about 20 days maximum - see http://www.ripose.com/Strategies.html for the savings associated with delivering the knowledge base and strategies c.. Logic - this depends on the number of tactics/systems chosen together with the number of tables in the associated data bases. The rule of thumb is not more than 10 working days for a data base containing 20 tables I do not see how any other product on the market delivers the same benefit as Ripose and Caspar! To build the Ripose enterprise (both the dot com and dot org sides) is no longer solely my responsibility. We need adult human beings to assist us. Hope this helps clear more of the mist. Regards ____________________________________ Charles Richter Ripose Pty Limited PO Box 244 Paddington NSW 2021 Australia Voice (02) 8900 3234 Mobile (04) 2520 3234 Facsimile (02) 9437 9237 Web site http://www.ripose.com Newsletter November 2001 http://www.ripose.com/NewsLetters/Issue03/Page1.html ================================================================ Gerhard wrote: I agree with you that you should stick to omnis studio after so amny years of experience with it, I did not know that detail.(I look now at Omnis studio: I see that it is possible to connect to Apache , which can connect to mySQL...)