For your information, there is an ongoing discussion about the recent events on the Haskell Discourse. In particular, see https://discourse.haskell.org/t/controversy-surrounding-anduril-industries/1.... Dominik On Tue Nov 3, 2026 at 10:26 AM CET, anthony.d.clayden wrote:
It's a pretty sad day to see the American Military Industrial Complex get a seat at the board.
Let our expectations be based on fact: Travis is no longer associated with Anduril.
makes me ashamed to be a part of this community.
Something that makes me -- let's say -- disappointed is - the HF's 'Guidelines for Respectful Communication' has an explicit attribution/shout-out - to somebody who continues to post on their blog racist (anti-Palestinian) opinions - justifying the Israeli Military-Industrial Complex in its current form. - some of that material IMO reaches the level of 'hate speech' were it to appear in my country.
Of course the Foundation cannot be responsible for what someone else writes; - even if their blog is a mix of Haskell and religious and political topics with no separation of identities.
But the Foundation can avoid crediting them by name - especially on a page which claims to be about Respect.
@Silky if anyone else feels similarly I'd love to hear from you. maybe we can find a way to decouple haskell ...
I keep separate in my mind Haskell-the-language vs Haskell-the-Foundation.
-the-language is defined in a series of specifications and research papers, and compilers and libraries from before there was a Foundation. I am enthusiastic about that language. I was also enthusiastic about the research community around that language, up to about a decade ago.
-the-Foundation seems to be about commercialising <something>. Ok, we need money to keep the by-now enormous infrastructure going. I regard it as a necessity that I do not have to be enthusiastic about. (Also I benefit very little from the infrastructure; presumably it's more for others' benefit.)
Over the time the Foundation has been in place, the community has lost its character. I don't know if that's some causal relation, or just a coincidence.
I used to be a commercial programmer using COBOL and SQL; which are used heavily by all sorts of military-industrial complexes, and exploitative corporations. My opinion on those languages was not invited. If you use Haskell because it's your employer's choice, you're accepting a salary in lieu of a right to express an opinion. Haskell-the-Foundation is becoming increasingly like that.
There are by now plenty of Haskell-alike smaller languages, with different community 'flavours'; that you might find more amenable.
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