It's a pretty sad day to see the American Military Industrial Complex get a seat at the board.

Let our expectations be based on fact: Travis is no longer associated with Anduril.

makes me ashamed to be a part of this community.

Something that makes me -- let's say -- disappointed is - the HF's 'Guidelines for Respectful Communication' has an explicit attribution/shout-out - to somebody who continues to post on their blog racist (anti-Palestinian) opinions - justifying the Israeli Military-Industrial Complex in its current form. - some of that material IMO reaches the level of 'hate speech' were it to appear in my country. Of course the Foundation cannot be responsible for what someone else writes; - even if their blog is a mix of Haskell and religious and political topics with no separation of identities. But the Foundation can avoid crediting them by name - especially on a page which claims to be about Respect.

@Silky if anyone else feels similarly I'd love to hear from you. maybe we can find a way to decouple haskell ...

I keep separate in my mind Haskell-the-language vs Haskell-the-Foundation. -the-language is defined in a series of specifications and research papers, and compilers and libraries from before there was a Foundation. I am enthusiastic about that language. I was also enthusiastic about the research community around that language, up to about a decade ago. -the-Foundation seems to be about commercialising <something>. Ok, we need money to keep the by-now enormous infrastructure going. I regard it as a necessity that I do not have to be enthusiastic about. (Also I benefit very little from the infrastructure; presumably it's more for others' benefit.) Over the time the Foundation has been in place, the community has lost its character. I don't know if that's some causal relation, or just a coincidence. I used to be a commercial programmer using COBOL and SQL; which are used heavily by all sorts of military-industrial complexes, and exploitative corporations. My opinion on those languages was not invited. If you use Haskell because it's your employer's choice, you're accepting a salary in lieu of a right to express an opinion. Haskell-the-Foundation is becoming increasingly like that. There are by now plenty of Haskell-alike smaller languages, with different community 'flavours'; that you might find more amenable. AntC

Thanks Dominik, yes I'd already seen that thread (and @silky had commented on it). There's by now a couple more threads. Commenting on this topic of HF rather than Anduril gives me the opportunity for a couple of bits of feedback. * The equipment I use for most social commentary sites now doesn't work with Discourse. - So it's quite awkward for me to post more than a short message there. * The moderators on Discourse seem to frequently 'ping' my posts, for reasons I don't understand. - Less so here. - This is particularly ironic given the offensive nature of the X/witter posts that have come to light. - You won't find any posts from me on X/Facebook/Instagram/etc that are such 'disrespectful communication'; - nor any that have gotten suppressed by moderators in Haskell-land; - nor as ad-hominem. (I comment on the words/the matter at hand, not on whoever posts them.) * I don't think the concern is Anduril/an outside organisation specifically (as I said above), - but rather the focus should be on what's within HF's control. - The 'Community Guidelines' seem to be no more than lip-service to particular forms of wording on Haskell forums only, - oblivious to (or spinelessly avoiding) the substance -- thinking back to a thread last year. * If HF now wants to focus more on sponsors, - it's disrespectful to enthusiastic Haskell amateurs to keep up a level of engagement - that seems to me to be increasingly sham. - I'm looking at HF's actions rather than its words. - It's nice to use polite language. It's more polite/respectful to be honest. * There's no other programming language whose design I've had such a level of engagement with. - If Haskell's is now getting getting driven by sponsors rather than enthusiasts; - just say so. AntC