May 2002 - Haskell - Haskell.org

RE: Dependent Types
by Simon Peyton-Jones 16 May '02

16 May '02

| Here's a bit of background I managed to dig up: | http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell@haskell.org/msg05160.html | It appears that a change to the monomorphism | restriction to match Hugs's behaviour was considered for | Haskell 98, but it looks like it never made it into the report | (for what reason I'm not sure - the arguments in favour of the | change look fairly compelling). There was a bit of to and fro, but I ended up deciding not to do anything: http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell@haskell.org/msg03293.html Simon

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Re: preprocessing printf/regex strings (like ocaml)
by David Feuer 16 May '02

16 May '02

On Sun, May 12, 2002, Oliver George wrote: > perl like things... > > msg' = replace "s/love/lust/" msg > > or, nice regex stuff... > > main = case match "^(\d+)" of > Nothing -> 0 > Just (i) -> i > Ick! regexes can be handled much better than that. Imagine something like: q = case x of /"^$" -> "Empty Line." /"^(foo@\d+)" -> foo ++ "hello!" /"confusion (foo@?) (bar@*)" -> "foo is" ++ foo ++ "And bar is" ++bar /"(a@*)" -> error "Sorry: I don't know what to do with "++a I don't know if this sort of syntax could work, but something similar would seem sensible. If it's not clear: the regex is used as a pattern. If it matches the string, that path is taken in the case statement. Also, wherever there are parenthesis with a "variable @", that variable is bound to the relevent string portion. > the python string notation (str % tuple) would fit really well too... > > putStrLn "hello %s, you got %d right" % ("oliver", 5) Might be nice. > > > Am I the only one who sees this as being a really valuable extension to > haskell? or does it exist and i've just never noticed? > > > cheers, Oliver. > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe(a)haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Night. An owl flies o'er rooftops. The moon sheds its soft light upon the trees. David Feuer

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Second IFL 2002 announcement
by Ricardo Pe~na 16 May '02

16 May '02

(Apologies for multiple postings) ============================================================ IFL 2002 14th International Workshop on the IMPLEMENTATION OF FUNCTIONAL LANGUAGES Madrid Spain September 16 - 18, 2002 ============================================================= Important dates --------------- Registration deadline: July 30th, 2002 Submission deadline : August 26th, 2002 further details : http://dalila.sip.ucm.es/ifl02 ============================================================= Scope of IFL 2002 ----------------- The aim of the workshop is to bring together researchers and users actively engaged in the implementation and application of functional programming languages to discuss results and new directions of research. The workshop is intended to provide an open forum for researchers who wish to present and discuss new ideas and concepts, work in progress, preliminary results etc. related primarily but not exclusively to the implementation of functional or function-based languages. A not necessarily exhaustive list of topics includes language concepts type checking compilation techniques (abstract) interpretation automatic program generation (abstract) machine architectures array processing concurrent/parallel programming and program execution heap management runtime profiling and performance measurements debugging and tracing verification of functional programs tools and programming techniques Contributions on applications of functional programming, e.g., in teaching, or on theoretical work in any of the above areas are also welcome. Contributions ------------- All attendees are encouraged to submit papers to be published in the draft proceedings and to give presentations at the workshop. Submitted papers must be written in English, conform to the LNCS format (available at: http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html) and not exceed 16 pages. Papers should be submitted by August 26th as postscript or pdf files using the submission page of the workshop accessible through http://dalila.sip.ucm.es/ifl02. After the workshop, we intend to publish a high-quality subset of contributions in the Springer LNCS series. All speakers attending the workshop are invited to submit a paper. Papers for the LNCS proceedings will be refereed according to normal conference standards. Ricardo Pe~na (IFL 2002 Organizing Committee Chairman) Departamento de Sistemas Informaticos y Programacion Facultad de Informatica Universidad Complutense de Madrid, 28040 MADRID e-mail: ricardo(a)sip.ucm.es Ph: (+ 34) 91 394 4313 FAX: (+ 34) 91 394 4602 http://dalila.sip.ucm.es/~ricardo

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Newbie attempts to generate permutations
by Mark Phillips 16 May '02

16 May '02

Hi, I have recently started learning Haskell and, in writing a HUGS module to generate permutations, have been told I have an error but I don't understand why. The module is: module Arrange where -- -- perms :: [a] -> [[a]] perms [] = [[]] perms (a:as) = concatMap (\b -> fst b:perms (snd b)) (del (a:as)) del :: [a] -> [(a,[a])] del [] = [] del (a:as) = (a,as):(map (\b -> (fst b,a:(snd b))) (del as)) and it comes back with error message: Type checking ERROR Arrange.hs:6 - Type error in application *** Expression : concatMap (\b -> fst b : perms (snd b)) (del (a : as)) *** Term : \b -> fst b : perms (snd b) *** Type : ([a],[a]) -> [[a]] *** Does not match : (a,[a]) -> [[a]] *** Because : unification would give infinite type But why does it say that the term "\b -> fst b : perms (snd b)" has type "([a],[a]) -> [[a]]"? perms requires a type "[a]" as input so "snd b" should be of type "[a]" but "fst b" should be allowed to be anything. What's going on? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mark. -- Dr Mark H Phillips Research Analyst (Mathematician) AUSTRICS - Smarter Scheduling Solutions - www.austrics.com Level 2, 50 Pirie Street, Adelaide SA 5000, Australia Phone +61 8 8226 9850 Fax +61 8 8231 4821 Email mark(a)austrics.com.au

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Re: State monads don't respect the monad laws in Haskell
by Ashley Yakeley 16 May '02

16 May '02

At 2002-05-15 09:48, John Launchbury wrote: >Will the next version of Haskell have something better. I hope so, but I >fear not. Rename it "unsafeSeq"? No puns please... But I think breaking Monad laws etc. is a different kind of unsafeness from usPIO etc. -- Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA unsafePerformIO is NOT Haskell!

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Re: State monads don't respect the monad laws in Haskell
by Jan-Willem Maessen 15 May '02

15 May '02

Dylan Thurston writes: > Do you ever use floating point addition? > > I rarely use floating point, but it is sometimes more useful than the > alternatives, as long as you bear in mind its limitations. Yep, floating point is by necessity a bit of a mess. On the other hand, I don't think we ought to be claiming that addition of Nums is associative, because it just isn't true. (Indeed, if we trap overflow then even Int addition is non-associative; I'm agin overflow trapping on Int for this among other reasons.) I see four "solutions" to the problem of non-associativity of floating point, in approximate order of flexibility: 1) Declare that Num is never associative. Compilers may re-associate (+) only if the types involved can be shown to be associative. Programmers may of course re-associate (+) in other cases as well, if they know what they are doing. 2) Provide a compiler flag which indicates that the compiler can assume assocativity of Num and optimize accordingly. Similar flags exist for other compilers (gcc's -ffast-math comes to mind). 3) Provide an associative floating-point hierarchy, to be used with the knowledge that "associativity" of such a type is only an approximate notion. 4) Provide a way of annotating Num instances to indicate the associativity property. I have no idea what form such an annotation would take. I therefore suspect (1) or (2) is good enough. (3) is way more trouble than it's worth, I bet; (4) is a nifty research problem with (so I hear) a certain amount of related research already out there. The real problem of course is things like this: "Solve y = x + b for x given y and b". We can't technically even *solve* the equation if addition is non-associative. But this is, of course, a problem in *every* language with limited-precision floating point. We probably need to be forthright about this when educating new programmers. I'm less clear how to couch this when presenting Num to the experienced programmer. Note that non-associativity is only one difficulty in working with floating point. Instability caused by different register and memory precision on x86 has proven to be a very noticable problem for me during compiler development. The -fforce-mem option on gcc addresses this issue at the cost of performance; my (limited) understanding of the problem indicates that this flag sacrifices (false) extra precision for predictability and thus for better accuracy (if you know what you are doing). This has nothing to do with declared semantics and everything to do with implementation hackery. > This sounds very interesting! Is your dissertation available? I'm making the last few fixes; it will be signed at the end of the week and I'll gladly send out a link to the Haskell mailing list when it's done. -Jan-Willem Maessen

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MPC 2002: Deadline extended until 11 February
by mpc02 15 May '02

15 May '02

[Apologies for multiple copies] The deadline for MPC 2002, 6th International Conference on MATHEMATICS OF PROGRAM CONSTRUCTION, 8-10 July, Dagstuhl, Germany (see http://www.cs.ukc.ac.uk/conf/mpc2002/ for a full CFP) has been extended until 11 February 2002. Full papers should be submitted in Postscript or pdf format by e-mail to mpc02(a)ukc.ac.uk. -- Mathematics of Program Construction '02 at Dagstuhl Eerke Boiten, Computing Laboratory, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK +44.1227.827615 (fax 762811)

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`seq` breaks the foldr/build-rule
by Janis Voigtlaender 15 May '02

15 May '02

Hello, while we are talking about strange semantic inequalities in the presence of `seq` (supposed monads not satisfying the monad laws anymore...), I just wanted to reiterate a point I made in a previous post, namely that `seq` also makes the foldr/build-rule of shortcut deforestation [1] wrong. Consider the following (admittedly artificial) program: build:: (forall b . (a -> b -> b) -> b -> b) -> [a] build g = g (:) [] original :: [Int] -> Int original l = foldr const 0 (build g) where g c n = let h [] = n h (x:xs) = let f=h xs in (c x f) `seq` (c 1 f) in h l The foldr/build-rule says that for all g of appropriate type holds: foldr k z (build g) = g k z i.e., the function "original" should be equivalent to the following: optimized :: [Int] -> Int optimized l = g const 0 where g c n = let h [] = n h (x:xs) = let f=h xs in (c x f) `seq` (c 1 f) in h l But now we have a problem! In Hugs: Main> original [undefined] 1 (19 reductions, 35 cells) Main> optimized [undefined] Program error: {undefined} (10 reductions, 57 cells) i.e. on the argument list [undefined] the "original" function yields a nice result, while the "optimized" function fails at runtime. This is not quite an optimization, right? For list producers expressed with build in the Prelude this incorrectness shouldn't be harmful (if they do not use `seq`). But if one wants to write ones own list producers for shortcut deforestation, or to use Olaf Chitil's type-inference based deforestation [2], one has to be extremely careful with using `seq`. [1] A. Gill, J. Launchbury and S.L. Peyton Jones. A Short Cut to Deforestation. In Functional Programming Languages and Computer Architecture, Copenhagen, Denmark, Proceedings, pages 223-232. ACM Press, June 1993. [2] O. Chitil. Type Inference Builds a Short Cut to Deforestation. In International Conference on Functional Programming, Paris, France, Proceedings, volume 34 of ACM SIGPLAN Notices, pages 249-260, September 1999. -- Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:voigt@tcs.inf.tu-dresden.de

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RE: Haddock installing problems
by Simon Marlow 15 May '02

15 May '02

> I was trying to install/compile Haddock 0.1 in my computer > (Windows98 + Cygwin, GHC-5.02.3), but I got the following error message: > > You must install the version of Perl shipped with GHC > (or a compatible one) in /bin. > > I though I already had a version of Perl in my computer, since HOpenGL > (which uses it) was compiled succesfully. My /bin dir also > contains a file > called perl.exe and another dir called Perl (which contains > perl.exe too). This works for me, but I'm not a Cygwin/Windows expert so I'm not sure what the canonical answer should be. On my system I have the Cygwin perl.exe in /cygwin/bin, and this is also /bin under cygwin, because by default Cygwin seems to want to mount /cygwin as /. I've just successfully build Haddock on WinXP with a fresh install of Cygwin, GHC 5.02.3, and surprisingly little fiddling about (I think I had to set PATH to include GHC, but that was it). Cheers, Simon

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by LAURENT MPETI KABILA 15 May '02

15 May '02

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