March 2012 - arch-haskell

Re: [arch-haskell] Future of arch-haskell.
by Thomas Dziedzic 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Xyne <xyne(a)archlinux.ca> wrote: > Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I recently found out arch-haskell has completely split from using archlinux. >> I was wondering what your future plans are for arch-haskell as you >> have become a completely separate entity. (providing all your own >> packages) >> I expressed in a previous mail that I would like to work together >> rather than having you guys split off from arch completely, but that >> is your choice. >> >> I also read some mails on this ml about getting official status. >> Splitting off completely and not communicating your intentions with me >> is not going to get you an official status if that is your intention. >> Instead, communication and coordination with me is crucial for that to >> have any chance. >> >> I am still for working together, but we need to start talking if you >> also want to work together. >> Otherwise, I wish this community the very best of luck if you choose >> to completely split. >> >> Cheers! > > > Hi, > > Haskell packages require topological rebuilds and that always seems to cause > problems when a rebuild needs to be coordinated across 3+ repos with even more > packagers. The recent updates have left several users in dependency hell and > unable to upgrade their systems. > I emailed magnus when I moved ghc to staging, and when I moved packages to extra. If there needs to be more communication, then I think the best way to fix this is by telling me. Also, this is the first time I've heard of such problems. If things stay silent, I assume everything works. If you're referring to the haskell-platform packages which got removed, I mentioned that you should remove them manually in my announcement because it was unavoidable. > In theory you could put all of the packages either in [extra] or in [community] > to more easily manage the rebuilds, but no one with access to those repos is > going to do that (the tools aren't in place, and getting them in place would > be an uphill battle). > > Besides, it really makes sense to have them in a separate Haskell repo. They > form a large set of related packages, and they require highly coordinated > rebuilds. > > Magnus has both the skills and motivation to maintain such a repo. Official > status or not, the goal is to provide working packages for the user and this > will do just that. > I know Magnus has awesome skills. :) > The redundancy with [extra] and [community] is unfortunate, but ideally the > devs would realize that this approach is optimal and support this repo. > Redundant packages could then be removed from other repos. > > Please don't see this as stepping on your toes. Try to see the benefits of this > approach and support it as it will vastly improve the end-user experience for > all Archers who use Haskell. > > Regards, > Xyne > > > > _______________________________________________ > arch-haskell mailing list > arch-haskell(a)haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-haskell I'm confused, and I didn't really get an answer to my original question. So you would like official status, but only under your own terms and without even sending 1 email to me about it? I would love for the world to work this way... The words say one thing and the actions say another. I know your intentions are good and if arch-haskell wants to do things its own way that's fine with me. I still think that working together would be better for the community. Heck, at least try to work together to work something out, and if we can't find something we can agree upon, then split off. Anyways, I will await for a clear message of what the arch-haskell will want to do before thinking about this any further..

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The next step for [haskell]
by Magnus Therning 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

I right now re-building [ghc74] for both x86_64 and i686. Once that is done I will basically replace [haskell] with the result of that. At the moment [ghc74] isn't even close to being a superset of [haskell]. This is deliberate on my part. In choosing between putting up a usable repo as soon as possible, and putting up a comprehensive repo later, I chose the former. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this will cause, but I believe this is the better way forward right now. Please use the github project's bug tracker to raise requests for packages to be added. /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus(a)therning.org jabber: magnus(a)therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus

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xmonad in [haskell]
by Dominik Peteler 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

Is there a reason why haskell-xmonad in [haskell] doesn't replace xmonad from [community] ? Why is haskell-xmonad not in the HABS repo ? dominik

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How to currently install haskell packages?
by Jonathan Lahav 05 Mar '12

05 Mar '12

Hi. I know about the migration to the new ghc. I need a package from AUR, haskell-download which is out of date and orphan. Should I install it with cabal? I'm still confused about pacman and cabal working together.

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ghc 7.4.1 moved to extra
by Thomas Dziedzic 05 Mar '12

05 Mar '12

I have finally moved the new ghc to arch repos. With this cleanup comes a bit of change. The decision has been made that ghc will be updated to the latest stable version and haskell-platform will be moved to the aur. This means you should remove the haskell-platform related packages before updating. I will also keep only essential packages and their dependencies related to haskell in [extra]. For now this means cabal-install and ghc + their depends. I have closed the following bugs with this release: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23247 - [ghc 7.0.2] ghci -package ghc causes panic https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/27132 - [ghc] re-enable the strip makepkg option https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18917 - [ghc] ghc.install :: test if directory exists https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/28758 - [haskell-text] uninstallable due to removal of haskell-deepseq https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/25991 - haskell-glut: undefined references to pretty much all glut functions https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/25072 - [alex][happy][cabal-install] missing makedepnds The following bugs are still open which I will fix as soon as cabal-install and darcs are buildable: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/27249 - [cabal-install] Add bash completion support https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/26955 - [darcs] missing makedependence haskell-hashed-storage<0.6 There are still some issues left with the current situation of haskell on arch, but these will take time and communication with upstream. *I need to figure out what to do about haddock since ghc only packages the binary and thus provides only half the package with ghc. This is the reason why we packaged haskell-haddock even though the ghc package already provides the haddock binary. *The post-install messages related to haskell packages can get pretty long. There is a proposed solution with a patch, but I need to figure out if there is any way we can work it out with upstream first. *There is no cabal-install or darcs version that is marked as stable and currently builds with ghc 7.4.1 These packages are statically linked so it shouldn't matter for now. I will be keeping an eye on these packages and waiting for upstream to provide new stable versions that builds against the latest ghc. Cheers!

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[haskell] & signing
by Xyne 03 Mar '12

03 Mar '12

Hi, Are there any plans to start signing [haskell] packages and databases? Regards, Xyne

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ghc 7.4.1 in a temporary repo
by Magnus Therning 02 Mar '12

02 Mar '12

Another entry in the debate on ghc 7.4.1 :) I've put up a repo containing ghc 7.4.1, darcs-beta (stable darcs doesn't build out of the box) and xmonad. [ghc74] Server = http://www.kiwilight.com/~magnus/$repo Only built for x86_64 (since it's the future ;). Let me know if anyone's interested in building it for i686, then I'll share the source for it all. /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus(a)therning.org jabber: magnus(a)therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus I invented the term Object-Oriented, and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind. -- Alan Kay

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[haskell] is back online
by Magnus Therning 01 Mar '12

01 Mar '12

I've received several offers of hosting [haskell]. It's wonderful to get such a great response from the members of the community. So far one of the offers has come to fruition, but I'd like to have a second site, just in case. I'll keep you updated on the progress. As I mentioned there is a new server and now you can use the following entry for [haskell]: ~~~ [haskell] Server = http://xsounds.org/~haskell/$arch ~~~ /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus(a)therning.org jabber: magnus(a)therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus

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